"Heavily tax the rich, that'll solve everything".

CommandoDude

'always be income inequality'? Chagen. Shut the fuck up. You sound like a dumbass.

The last time wealth distribution in this country was THIS BAD. Was right before the GREAT DEPRESSION.

Trash_Vortex

@tnu: Stop dealing in extremes.

ninjaclown

Society doesn't function because people believe in doing their jobs out of their own good will. Some are forced through ambition for monetary gain and fear of poverty.

Tnu1138

xactly you make a valid point ninjaclown and yes it does work that way if you don't pay a tax that you don't agree with? threat of a gun. if you don't follow a regulation you disagree with? threat of a gun. Every law is backed by the threato f a gun.

CommandoDude

Tnu. Stop making logical fallacies. People certainly face many consequences for tax evasion. Death is not one of them. People who reap the benefits of our society pay their dues. 'Taxes' is not robbery at gunpoint.

Tnu1138

if the consequence is jail time? What happens if you resist, threat of a gun. at some point no matter what the initial charge non-compliance with the all powerful omnipotent state is backed by guns.

TheConductor

Wow...Chagen...just wow...you honestly are a complete fucking moron. 

Chagen

Ad Hominem? Really?

CommandoDude

Go online and find me ONE news report of a policeman who beats a man to the ground and then holds a gun to him for tax evasion.

Oh wait. You won't find one. Because a police officer will just arrest him instead. What's a guy going to do? Resist arrest? Assault an officer? And make the penalty worse?

I'd imagine getting arrested for tax evasion wouldn't warrant anything more deadly then pepper spray at best.

^ Going to call in logical fallacy? I already laid out a thorough point about wealth distribution. Your response? Deal with it.

So why bother? Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall. Do you learn nothing? Or do you just choose to remain ignorant?

Central Avenue

So...does Chagen's argument amount to anything other than "I have lots of money and I want to KEEP IT ALL, fuck the less fortunate"?

TheConductor

It's like...talking to a child, with only a basic grasp of how the world works...oh wait. That's exactly what's happening.

Myrmidon

Oh, no. A fourteen year-old kid has an opinion I don't agree with. Clearly this necessitates MASSIVE ANGER. Because Chagen is totally in a position of influence and power.

All Nines

"Life sucks and isn't fair.

Deal with it."

We heard you the first time.

And we all know that. You don't need to preach to us about it.

Now, I can't be bothered to look up statistics to back up my point like CommandoDude can (in fact, I find it commendable that he's willing to keep track of statistical data to make his point), and I don't even have much to say that hasn't already been said. But I can say that I find your viewpoint troubling when presented this poorly.

^ If it matters, I, for one, can't say I take offense to his viewpoint. I just wish he would use arguments that actually make sense. In other words, it's the argument, not the opinion.

And I wish people would stop overreacting to someone who doesn't know how to argue. Oh, wait, no I don't. I'm perfectly fine laughing at all of the silliness being displayed in these types of threads.

Tnu1138

Everyone hates economic conservativism. You don't want to keep your own resources and have the right to do what you will wiht your own property? WHy is that su xch a bad thing?

GLORIOUSLeader

Everyone hates economic conservativism.

I thought it was conservatives who wanted to reduce taxes.

Komodin

Wow, Chagen, this is just... what. I can't even... wut.

Tnu1138

It is i'm just noticing all the hate it gets.

CommandoDude

Mrym. I'm angry because he represents a culmination of American stupidity that allows the rich to walk all over the average person.

His idiotic beliefs are what enable the rich. To turn this country into a damned Plutocracy.

GLORIOUSLeader

But I thought Pluto was no longer a planet.

Also, somewhat off-topic, but Communism does not fail as an economic principle; it fails as a governmental principle. One leads to the other, I suppose. 

GuyInWhite

Rich people don't deserve the money they "earn." Most of them made it through either straight-up luck or through unethical means.

GLORIOUSLeader

Okay, that's too far in the other direction. Some of them don't deserve it, but many actually worked to get where they are.

Tnu1138

ok unethical you have a point but they still deserve that luck. What  the problem with you all trying to fight a Plutocracy is one where you create a system where the rich are victimized just for being rich. either way is a problem because it involves theft or oppressin regardless.

ninjaclown

You still assume they deserve that luck.

GLORIOUSLeader

Yes, all those poor, oppressed billionaires. 

Chagen

Why does everyone here hate money?

Am I the only Materialistic person on this fora?

ninjaclown

That's another extreme you're using, we told you to stop that. "I think CEOs are corrupt, so I MUST HATE money."

GLORIOUSLeader

No. I like money.

But I don't think many of us are rich. So I think we're likely to not take their side. 

^Also this. 

Forzare

We don't hate money.

We hate that 10% of the population has all the money.

Or at least I do.

CommandoDude

Hate money?

Tnu1138

Yeah yeah they ahve money and yeah taking it from them is theft. If I earn money I don't want it taken form my by force that's the simple fact of it and i'm not rich i'm lower-middle class.