"We are also not a wiki for bashing things"

Vorpy

Problems with TV Tropes: The Application

• The Wiki
• Headscratchers
• Fridge Namespace
• Trivia
• YMMV
• DarthWiki and SugarWiki
• The Left Side of the Forum
• The Right side of the Forum
• The YKKTW
• The Live Bloginations
• The Reviews Section

Now what is wrong with every single one of these? Can you bring up a point why almost every single one of these is having a problem?

snowbull

You forgot the middle of the forum, and the contributors.

Vorpy

Contributors are ALWAYS a problem, so why even bring that up?

GLORIOUSLeader

No, flame bait, redundant, no, no, too much complaining/gushing, no, no, no, no, no.

Then again, I don't really find much to complain about other than minute details (hello strikethrough).

snowbull

^^But TvTropes seems to mostly keep its contributors under control, and yet they still manage to suck. They have that special inoffensive sort of sucking.

Vorpy

Like being a magnet over petty issues like shipping, alternative character interpretation, fanboyism and seething hatred?

DonZabu

@Vorpy: Most of those aren't bad. There are, however, a few that I need to bring up:

*Trivia - Not a lot of stuff you can fill these spaces with that couldn't fit on the main space. If you think about it, trivia facts have more of a right to be on the main space than the natter tropes do, mostly because they're less subjective.

*Fridge - As mentioned before, it's redundant next to Headscratchers.

*YMMV - Not bad on its own, but the selection for what designates these tropes as subjective or not is kind of shaky - for a lot of the tropes, it's less "this trope is inherently subjective" and more "this trope starts flame wars, and we don't want that". For example, Small Name Big Ego is on there even though it can be a perfectly valid and objective character trope within the context of the story, but it's there because people used it on folks like Tim Buckley (my personal solution would be to outlaw any usage of this trope on Real Life figures).

inkblot

Nonsense, you're allowed to complain, as long as it's about fandoms and people other than you who complain.

MillerCross

• The Wiki: Natter, open to anyone who feels like vandalizing instead of selective contributors. Not much else

• Fridge Namespace: Fan Wank, it's Troper Tales of works in disguise. It's even in the TT area as well.

• The Left Side of the Forum: Upper left is A-OK, Down Left (Real-ish) still has OTC, which is probably the next subforum to get nuked if things continue like they do.

• The Right side of the Forum: Forum Games is pretty much a waste of server space, Yack Fest is turning into a shitposter's paradise, the OFH didn't take up, so it has become a practical desert aaaaaaand the WMG and IJAM subforums are nothing but one post threads tops

DonZabu

I think about half the social problems on the wiki could be solved immediately if anything pertaining to Real Life was cut - no Real Life space, no tropes about creators like Protection from Editors, no reaction tropes like They Changed It, Now It Sucks, and no tropes about fandoms like Hate Dumb or any of the Shipping tropes.

The wiki would only list tropes that apply within the context of stories and media themselves.

snowbull

But tvtropes loves meta, that would never work.

DonZabu

Well then make some kind of encyclopedia about meta, like a Metapedia or something.

Oh wait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metapedia

snowbull

and then tvtropes was the racists

Vorpy

http://www.MetaTropes.org

snowbull

Why did that redirect me to this: http://assist.shaw.ca/shawcaassist/dnsassist/main/?domain=www.metatropes.org

GLORIOUSLeader

The Hungarian version is the most developed and has by far the most articles

Oh, Hungary.

DonZabu

Seriously, though, remove all Real Life content from the wiki, yay or nay?

inkblot

'ay.

GLORIOUSLeader

Nay. It's fun to read, and it would peeve too many people off for it to be a good idea.

Vorpy

Remove most of the Real Life things, like Complete Monster entries, Slippery Slope, Well Intentioned Extremist, Research Failure, Truth in Television and a couple other things too that I don't remember. a few of them can stay, depending on the content.

MillerCross

Nay. Meta context is as important to the enjoyment of a work as the inuniverse content.

Iaculus

I was pretty sure that Complete Monster's Real Life section was dead and buried. Not sure about WIE, but I doubt the mods would object to a nuking if you brought it up in the TRS. Most of the villain tropes shouldn't have real life examples.

Nyarly

I knew who made this thread before I clicked on it.

Really, GuyInWhite complaining about TV Tropes is like Chagen complaining about his father.

Vorpy

and Nyarly being edgecore emo.

MillerCross

Edgecore emo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Nyarly

^^ What the fuck is edgecore?

My connection is way too slow for Youtube.

DonZabu

^ It was this guy saying "you keep using that hghword. I dunnothinkimeez wuhchuthikimeez." I don't think edgecore is a real thing.

Vorpy

People trying to hard to be edgy, offensive or aggressive in a scene that calls for forced neutrality, nice guyness and oversensitivity.

Kind of like a man-eating sheep. It's fucking boring moreso than offensive, since there are more volatile animals out there, and a man-eating sheep can only be so out-there before it gets laughable.

MillerCross

People trying to hard to be edgy, offensive or aggressive in a scene that calls for forced neutrality, nice guyness and oversensitivity. 

> Implying this place calls for forced neutrality. 

The rest is correct, though.

Vorpy

scene, not place.

AKA forum-going anime fans with waifus and opinions, rather than ED editors, edgy blog writers, apex trolls, or "professional gamers" or software programmers or darkforum mods or whatever else.