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  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-25 10:58:12
    You can change. You can.
    I'd say that Lagann does that quite well. It's just that most people build it to be more about the fights than Simon's growth.

    --glares at Alex--

    ^ Lolno. I just did it to see Leia's face and listen to her scream

    I sleep at night knowing I caused so much pain. ^_^
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > Hey, this isn't that depressing. The only ones who died were Biker Dude,
    Corrupt Politician, Rape Victim, Future Albert Einstein, and everyone
    in Future Tokyo.

    > Mega Man X2
    > Real Life
    > Law & Order: SVU
    > Futurama?
    > Sailor Moon
    what

    > I did make a planet away

    How do you make something away?
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    i accidentally a whole planet

    the whole thing
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    I might have a secret project for IJBM if I gan get this torrent working.
  • DYREDYRE

    Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, seriously. If that doesn't make you want to punch out a comet just fucking because, I don't know what will.

    Every time I hear people describe Gurren Lagann this way, it makes me more and more sure that it sucks and isn't worth watching.

  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    Then listen to Juan instead. Not that I saw it, but he made it sound good.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Yeah, I hate when people describe Lagann as this over the top super manly action anime series.

    I mean, it is, but the show is much more than just action. It's reall well written character driven mecha show and probably one of my favorite coming-of-age stories, up there with 500 Days of Summer and NGE.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    NGE is more like...coming-of-age bungled, forced through, enforced, argued with, subverted, disputed in court, served an injunction against the dispute in court, interrupted by the fate of the world, re-enacted, analyzed, trashed, taken with medication, regurgitated, cud-chewed, then taken out of an ice box by a Nethack character who is already overtaxed.
  • DYREDYRE

    Or, you know... it's not that.

    People really overstate Evangelion's weirdness.

    Also like half of the things it did were already done by Zeta Gundam, albeit not really in the same way.

  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    >Juan likes 500 Days of Summer

    Respect level up.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Eh, Shinji does grow up at the end of Evangelion. He goes from a kid who is afraid of people because he thinks he's not worth it to finally accepting that he deserves friends, because he wants them.

    Bang. Also, completely agreed with DYRE. Evangelion isn't that weird. 
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-09-25 14:39:38
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    My point was that it was supposed to be done in multiple ways in the first place, and then it got muddied up with some other plot details too.

    It was supposed to be:
    * played straight: the lead character is supposed to grow up
    * subverted: the lead character doesn't want to grow up
    * enforced: the lead character doesn't want to grow up but is forced to

    And then it gets mixed in with a whole bunch of other plot points, those being the impacts/angels/instrumentality/conspiracy/etc..

    In some ways they DO function somewhat symbolically to represent the conflicts surrounding the coming-of-age theme, but they also add to the mess.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-25 14:47:03
    You can change. You can.
    I'd say that the character not wanting to growing up is not necessarily a subversion. The character not being able to grow up at some point in the story is a subversion.
  • DYREDYRE

    the lead character doesn't want to grow up but is forced to

    Isn't this how coming-of-age stories usually work?

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Not always. The Graduate comes to mind.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    Sometimes the character wants to grow up, but outside forces just keep them from doing so.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-09-25 14:49:12
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    No, the point of coming-of-age is that a character grows up, and there are some stories (such as Eureka Seven) where you kinda don't have any resistance to the whole growing up idea at all, and the plot is driven by something other than the coming-of-age theme.
  • DYREDYRE
    I guess.  I'm probably just thinking of things like The Catcher in the Rye or, well, Evangelion, but I guess that's not necessarily how all coming-of-age stories have to work.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    Like FLCL (My favorite anime)

    Naota wants to grow up.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    The thing is, the character's willingness to grow up is not something inherent to the genre. As in, if Shinji wants or doesn't want to grow up, that's a thing inherent to his character, and it does not define the genre of the story. However if Shinji grows up or learns things across the story, it definetly counts as a coming-of-age story.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    The point of the coming-of-age theme in Evangelion is that Shinji doesn't want to grow up, but is forced to nevertheless.  This is symbolized by how the series inches toward an apocalyptic event--Shinji tries multiple times to hold back the forward march of time and circumstances, but is forced time and time again to come closer to maturity.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I'd argue that Shinji wants to grow up, but he can't. And he disguises lack of capability with lack of desire.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I don't know whether he wants to, but it seems more like to me that the series represents growing up as a sort of monumental step forward that, along with all its resulting consequences, is something that Shinji really doesn't want to deal with.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Shinji's problem is that he's too immature and fears human relationships, right? But he does try to approach people from time to time, he just goes back on it because he fears what will come next (Which is the whole Hedgehog Dilemma thing). So he does want to be a better person, someone more approachable and all that, but he does not want to deal with the pain part of it, so he can't do it, because he keeps blocking himself.

    ...

    so both, I guess?
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Juan, you've seen the descent? Have you also seen Dog Soldiers?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I still need to get around watching the other half of The Descent. got cut off and haven't been feeling up to it.

    And nope. Haven't watched or heard of Dog Soldiers.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Much like The Descent is takedown of empowering chickflicks in a horror setting, Dog Soldiers is a takedown of machismo-filled soldier films in a horror setting. This time with Werewolves.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    but werewolves are lame D:
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    That's why my Cainite brethren and I have sworn to purge them from the earth.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    that's a weak reason for genocide.
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