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I have learned a lot of things tonight.
I've learned that I can't count on anywone, ever. and that i dont need anyonew. because if i have to be fucking...perefct 24/7 to matter to people then i dont want othr people in my life. ]
fuck thi9s. going to bed.
Congratulations, Everest! (More like Everbest, amirite?)
IJBM: When people discredit ideas because said idea doesn't fall within their comfort zone.
No prizes for guessing who the OP is.
IJBM: When the only part I paid attention to was the first few posts and the scuba knight. And being paranoid when it comes to 4chan links.
So when's this recession thing supposed to be over anyway? I remember when I started my degree that one of the directors said it would be over by now.
Yes, I know it's technically supposed to be over, but I wouldn't know it.
I think his point is that viewing gender as a social construct does not really help me deal with the dysphoria, because it is my biological sex that I am uncomfortable with.
Indeed. And while it's true that you didn't mention biological sex, it happens to be very relevant when it comes to gender dysphoria.
Eh. I'm pretty sure Juan thinks I'm an idiot anyway, so there's probably no point in explaining. Though I apologize if my original point wasn't helpful. I was just giving my take on things.
^ The point I was trying to make (or that I'll make now) is that it shouldn't be a matter of conforming to gender, but looking at things based on legitimate physical characteristics. Biological sex already covers that aspect, so I don't see why there needs to be a second qualifier. I understand that it's a concern for people, though, and they can't be blamed for that.
Not sure where you are taking that idea from, and I'm pretty sure I've never ever even thought such an idea, let alone express it
I'm reading it and I don't honestly see what's condescending about it...? I mean, I said you are comfortable with being male, which I assume so simply because of the way you identify. It's admittedly a bit of a rash conclusion and I apologize if it offended you.
And my point is that, well, if gender is a social construct, then transgenderism shouldn't be a thing. But it is. Which makes it somewhat of a paradox, that is all. I can see how that part comes across as condescending, but I don't see anything I wouldn't like being said to me, for example.
Transgenderism existing in a world of gender constructs isn't necessarily a paradox, because these genders are socially enforced. I suspect that's part of what causes transgenderism; a person is uncomfortable with or unwilling to conform to the expectations of their biological sex. Not that I'm saying that's the whole story, or close to it, but I don't think transgenderism is something that just happens. Like all matters of personal identity, there is some reasonable underpinning.
Cockatrice is a-go! now waiting for other humans
I'd say that gender roles (Or social sex role, however you wanna call it) are the social construct, whereas the concept of psychological gender or "How do you perceive yourself to be" are, while not entirely innate, certainly not entirely build by the individual's interaction with society, let alone the expectations of the group in question.
"Regardless of gender identity being a social construct, there is such a thing"
"there is such a thing"
I'm rather conscious of certain phrases.
"And my point is that, well, if gender is a social construct, then transgenderism shouldn't be a thing. But it is. Which makes it somewhat of a paradox, that is all."
It's a powerful social construct, hence transgenderism and reactions to it. It's also, in my opinion, a very harmful one due to certain scenarios it allows for. I identify as male simply because I'm biologically male. If a form asks me put my gender, I'll still put "Male" because it's expected of me. I'm not trying to delegitimize gender dysphoria; I'm just saying that it sucks that gender has become such a big deal, alongside sex.
@Wicked223: I'm going to add you to my buddy list. Can't play cuz I gotta go ASAP
I feel like gender roles are just gender perception in action. The whole idea that certain emotional characteristics are inherently attributed to genitalia, and the fact that that's enforced as a factor of one's perception of oneself, seems wrong.
Guys, guys. I just got an idea for a Devil May Cry/Twilight crossover.
I don't want to have this brain anymore. ;_;
> implying I want your brains
> even if I were a zombie
Well, yeah. Gender Roles come from, and perpetuate erroneous expectations about women and men according to nothing more than a biological distinction.
It is.
The thing is, to me there's nothing wrong with following on gender roles. It's when you're forced to do so that it becomes a dangerous sociological matter.
With all of that said, I don't follow how that addresses what I said at all...?
Fair enough, but I thought we already went over this and trying to differentiate between our pet peeves and when we're actually breaking some sort of basic etiquette thing?
As for the rest of the discussion, I don't really want to dig through stuff and figure out what I'm even responding to on an iPhone. But what I was trying to get at is that, with the question of "How do I perceive myself to be", sex, and gender, and gender roles . . . I think things would be better if physicality was covered entirely under sex, rather than being a characteristic of gender as well, so that gender, as categorization of expected mental attributes, could consequently be done away with, and the question of perception could be simplified. Hopefully that doesn't come off as offensive; I'm just trying to think based on what I see.
Gender is related to self-identity. It's not entirely comprised of gender roles.
The experience with a pill is worse than even ice cream without
Crepes are better than scones anyways.
Also, I have to agree. Crepes are the ultimate breakfast food (and are in the top/god tier of foods in general)
Cinnamon crepes are the best I've had.
Now I want to make a thread where we collectively try to decide food tiers (obviously not for every food, but we could have a recommondations list
Yeah. What I'm trying (and apparently failing pretty hard) to get at is that I see its purpose, but I don't see its utility, if that makes sense.
Again, I'd elaborate, but iPhone.
It's a thing that exists. I'm not even sure if it would be possible to get rid of it entirely.
Sometimes I wonder how innate gender identity is.
If I somehow lived in a vacuum free of all social constructs of gender, is there some part of me that would just naturally find having a male body uncomfortable?