Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
If you have an email ending in @hotmail.com, @live.com or @outlook.com (or any other Microsoft-related domain), please consider changing it to another email provider; Microsoft decided to instantly block the server's IP, so emails can't be sent to these addresses.
If you use an @yahoo.com email or any related Yahoo services, they have blocked us also due to "user complaints"
-UE
If you use an @yahoo.com email or any related Yahoo services, they have blocked us also due to "user complaints"
-UE
Comments
What about the companies that actually work on it?
I mean honestly, you find a popular comic, and you animate it with the hopes that A. Fans of the comic will want to watch it, and B, you hook in more people and get more money.
On the other hand, if I said "I don't like Watchmen" you and half of TV Tropes would be down my throat. You can blame "presentation" all you want but you know its the opinion itself that matters in people's hearts and minds and all the gussying-up in the world wouldn't change that. You tell me I should be more humble in my approach. I got news for you: I've played that game before and it had the same goddamn result. It's the opinion people hate, not the way its presented.
Anime is far from universally good, but it has its moments of brilliance as well.
Not denying that. What I am denying is that it's the sole and exclusive reason (or even the biggest reason) for all the Edmond hate.
Not denying that. The problem is that the "moments of brilliance" are increasingly harder to find. Sometimes I feel like I've already seen all the good ones and now I'm just working through their bastard offspring.
It's nearly 10PM and nearly nobody is online?
2. Both topics were up for almost the same amount of time (the cartoons one was up slightly longer). One got responses, the other didn't.
3. Evidencing what, exactly?
4. I named them point-blank, and also whether you recognized the shows is beside the point as both topics are more about "I notice this recurring issue" where criticizing specific examples is merely a vehicle for the larger statement.
The first few posts in this thread were a couple of fans of one particular show you listed in your first post responding in a joking manner to what you said about it. It then moved away from talking about your first post completely in favour of talking about anime production, then moved on to me telling you that you're an asshole.you talk about the issues, but when your post reads like this-
Without any idea of what you're referring to, I'm lost. I think you're talking about... no, actually, I have no clue. A comic about a daredevil and the world he lives in being reduced to him stopping super villains? As opposed to... what?
On the other hand, if I said "I don't like Watchmen" you and half of TV Tropes would be down my throat. You can blame "presentation" all you want but you know its the opinion itself that people hate, not the way it's presented.
Let it go, man; you know damn well there's no reasoning with them.
> Media opinions
I'll get my coat. :T
No you don't.
But I don't agree that better animation = always better EVERY SINGLE TIME. Where anime fails in its quality I genuinely believe they make up for in its presentation and story telling. Where the guy said "You want story? Go read a book" is where he lost a lot of points with me. So films can't have good story? Cartoons and comics can't have good story? Nice one, bub.
Frankly speaking, this is how recommendations are ALWAYS made. This just means that whatever the similarity is between X and Y is not interesting enough to you to make you like Y. This is of course entirely the realm of YMMV.
This commonly happens to me too. Basically, what's happening is that someone thought you like X because of some aspect A that you don't actually care all that much for. It's like saying to me, "Oh, you like Kiddy Grade, so you must like loli superheroes!" whereas Lumière's character art design is actually one of my LEAST favorite parts of the series, in part because it makes very little sense.
In short: Liking a work doesn't mean liking every aspect and part of it.
@EdmondDantes > Azumanga Daioh and K-On!...like Lucky Star but not cute or funny
To be honest, I find Lucky Star neither cute nor funny. LS's "cuteness", if there is any, comes purely from the character designs, and from pretty much nothing else, as far as I can tell.
On the other hand, Azumanga Daioh is a bit adorable--especially the slower situations involving Osaka and Chiyo. Though I don't find it funny; just vaguely amusing. I have never seen K-On!.
@Edmond Dantes > "Don't. Recommend. Anything." Silence falls across the land. The end.
Yeah, this is one problem with fans. They really like their stuff so they become overzealous about recommending it to friends and acquaintances.
@Scrye2 > It's certainly hit every genre and subject under the sun, but many times their execution in such just goes awry, though I would forgive many of these if it weren't for their shoddy animation. Samurai Champloo, for example, would have been fucking great if it actually had fluid animation with a decent framerate and didn't abuse limited animation and keyframes so much. Watch that show again. It's more akin to a slideshow than to a cartoon.
Point taken. That said, how much a person cares about animation quality does vary from person to person--I've noticed that I really don't care that much, and while I am very much aware that western animation is smoother, to me it doesn't make as much of a difference, and the much wider selection of content in animé more than makes up for it in my opinion. That said, it really does depend on the particular show. I'm not sure if you've read some of my posts a few weeks back, but I was criticizing Uta~Kata for having noticeably substandard animation, such as scenes where the mom and dad at the dinner table nod and talk at EXACTLY the same time.
Also, the freakin' eyes. Too freakin' big in moë.
@Scrye2 > Also, filler. Way too much filler.
If you find what I call "self-contained" series--i.e. those that just aim to tell a story over the course of one season (~12 or ~24 episodes), rather than being long runners aiming for continued production season after season--those are usually better about not having filler.
@Counterclock > On-topic then, I like some Anime shows, not all of them, or what can amount to be a majority of them.
And this is why I don't like to say that "I like animé" as a blanket statement. I guess I can count as an animé fan for some purposes, but when I also have little interest in much of what the animé fandom as a whole tends to go crazy over, it's really not all that useful. I prefer seeing it as my liking individual series/works/stories, and putting those on the same level of other visual media including western animation and live-action productions.
@Scrye2 > Why not do your own thing with your anime instead of doing it exactly like the comic?
Actually, frequently, manga-based animé series differ in plot, sometimes very substantially. A notable example is Fullmetal Alchemist, where the animé just got tired of waiting and produced its own plot, eventually causing the different manga plot to be adapted to animation as FMA: Brotherhood.
In the case of Eureka Seven, based on what I've read, the animé and manga also present very different stories--their premises are similar but the stories themselves feature very different events and conclusions.
@Scrye2 > Take a look at the American superhero cartoons. They're based off of actively serialized comic books but they usually follow their own continuities, and thus function independently from the comics.
Well, from what I know (correct me if I'm wrong), these typically are produced by two separate content creation groups--you have comic book writers doing their own thing and animated series writers doing their own other thing. This is especially possible since the franchise doesn't revolve around a premise or setting or even cast, but around a single character (or a very small set of characters), who can be cast into various scenarios and various settings simultaneously. On the other hand, the case with animé and manga is that they're often co-produced and promoted together, and most importantly, aim to appeal to the same group of fans.
@Forzare > Eh, if I watch an anime, I generally don't read the manga. But that's just me.
Nope, it's not just you; same here. The only difference so far is Magic Knight Rayearth...and I still haven't read or watched the second season.
@Scrye2 > Why the fuck would you want to see the same shit you just saw in the comic? They're both visual media.
Uh, no.
1. animation. movement. How about the difference between seeing a set of photos of an event, and seeing a videotape of the event itself?
2. sounds. Those pictures don't contain audio data; the most they can do is a "BIFF" here or an "VROOM" there. Again, see point 1. And then there's the fact that we're now putting voices to people. Would you rather see a silent film or a film with corresponding audio?
3. soundtrack. You greatly underestimate the power of music to bring a scene to life, and provide a sense of immersion. Would, say, a wedding home video be the same if John Williams or Jake Kaufman added a soundtrack of incidental music to it?
@MoeDantes > Not denying that. The problem is that the "moments of brilliance" are increasingly harder to find. Sometimes I feel like I've already seen all the good ones and now I'm just working through their bastard offspring.
I think the problem is that you sound like a disgruntled fan frequently making a point of how things used to be better.
@Yuuki Nao > No you don't
OH U
@Juan_Carlos > I don't think of Dantes as an asshole so much as a very opinionated person who really needs to think his post throoughly.
This.
OH HOLY SHIT THERE'S A SECOND PAGE NOW
Well, I should have seen it coming, with a title like "Why I hate Anime".
I'm not tired of these threads.
Answered this in the American cartoons thread.
To be completely honest, what it comes down to is the comic is what we liked, thought was good, wanted to get all our friends hooked on as well, and so on and so forth.
An adaptation is like a chef attempting another chef's recipe. If he cocks it up, its possible nobody would ever want to eat the oriignal chef's better version even if they were assured its better--the bad chef just killed the dish. I remember one of my friends used to put garlic powder in hamburger meat when cooking. His burgers tasted great. Then one day he invited some distant relatives over and was gonna make his special burgers for them, but he let his idiot cousin make them, and said idiot cousin put in too much garlic powder and the food came out practically inedible. No matter how much it was explained to dude's relatives that the powder wasn't the problem it was his cousin just cocking it up, from then on they were afraid to try anything that had garlic powder in it.
As fans, we want people to like the same things we like, and an untrue adaptation can create schizms. Call us selfish or petty if you must, but I'd rather fandoms be big and united rather than small and divided.
K-ON! is god-tier. Lucky Star is only alright. Ergo, Dantes opinions are objectively wrong.
Also, Ano Hana was good because it was a ripoff of the Fuuko arc of Clannad, since that was the only part of Clannad that was worth watching. (actually, this isn't completely correct. The Tomoyo special episode was good too)