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And people given an environment that provides an unspoken encouragement for that sort of behaviour will naturally gravitate to it, becoming passive aggressive and providing constantly changing examples of how they can get under someone elses skin completely while adhering to any standards of "reasonableness" you can dream up.
There is always a way to annoy someone with words, no matter how restrictive you make the rules defining reasonable conversation. Someone will manage it, and they will abuse it in order to get rises out of those people they don't like. And, then, those people will get banned. And because nobody ever agrees 100% on anything, ever, that will leave behind a forum comprised primarily or solely of people who are simply very, very good at being assholes politely, all trying to get rises out of each other as best they can so they can "win" arguments by making other people seem unreasonable, blissfully unaware that what they're doing is just as unreasonable, and perverts the concept of reason in their own minds in order to allow them their fleeting moments of victory.
Passive aggression will happen under those terms, no matter how hard you try to stamp it out, and all you'll be left with in the end is a scant few people, fighting with each other as politely as possible, over debates that long ago ceased to be informed or reasonable in any way.
And they won't be banned. because they're only being ambiguously offensive, blamelessly tactless by "mistake", and because they're always the victim, when someone gets "out of hand" and tells them what they really think, after bottling it up and trying to passive aggressively outmaneuver them.
Somewhere just below "Too dumb to live" and above "Only posts about tractors"
Dumbness is subjective and differs from person to person.
2. People are not allowed post in threads solely to complain about the thread itself.
Komodin will not like this at all.
3. Threads casting other posters in a negative light are undesirable.
Does this count "God I hate some Conservatives (Yes this means you GMH but not really)"? How vague and unrelated can it be to be outlawed?
4. Shitposting should not trump seriousness, unless applied in a rational controlled manner that is totally relevant.
Not sure if I agree because I don't know what "Seriousness" on this place counts as since nobody but me is sincere when posting.
5. Chagen isn't allowed to start any threads about his family.
One complaint about a person per thread or else it's a Dogpile.
6. Threads should be marked NSFW if they are thus.
I can agree.
7. NSFW threads should be contained in a magical brandspanking new post repository called "NSFW". Creative, right? Subforum ahoy!
I agree with this, but don't make it solely for nasty pictures from Danbooru. There's gotta be more shit besides shocker site pictures and porn to fill that niche.
8. No more than 5 threads can be started by someone in a day.
I agree.
9. (possibly) Hot topics like abortion and some such can be placed in a special board for seriousness and flaming. It will be IJBM within IJBM and mixed with OTC.
Um, that's fucking stupid? There is nothing wrong with those topics, it's just the problem users who don't want to discuss it who shit it up with attempts at being edgy or snide. Rule 4 and rule 2 apply to this.
10. "People who X" is a stupid title and should not happen ever.
Agreed. Because "People who X" are not real people.
am sorry, but I think this is illegal. You need to make sure all
members of your site are 18 or older before you are allowed to do this.
Otherwise, you are corrupting a minor. This is a rule the moderators
need to crack down on.
How many others are under the legal age in their country other than Chagen?
Basically, nobody wants to be stupid, and stupid people improve over time, whereas aggression can be consciously controlled, and there is no reason to suppose that anybody who is not controlling their aggression intends to change their behaviour in future.
(The secondary reason is that I don't regard some of the IJBMers I have seen accused of stupidity in the past, such as Rottweiler, Vorpy or Fireworks, as stupid people, which presumably means I am one of them, and I'd rather not be banned myself.)
You are not guilty by association.
I wasn't suggesting that I was. I was suggesting that I was stupid.
>A single instance of stupidity isn't a ban worthy offense, in my opinion, but a repetition of the same events shows an unwillingness to grow or change.
I can agree with this, I think, depending on what behaviour is expected to be changed.
A key component of a user becoming "not stupid" is that user having the ability and inclination to listen to what someone is saying and adapt accordingly. If you are being aggressively stupid and you get warned about it by a mod or older forum member, then the kind of person we want to keep around will usually change their behaviour accordingly, at least a little.
If they continue to react badly to being corrected and refuse to consider their knowledge might be inferior to that of someone else on a subject, then they slowly edge their way into the latter category, after being given benefit of the doubt they belong in the former.
A few incidents and a final warning later, they either wise up or they get banned.
On the other hand, aggression can be argued as justified, and, once again, the person either does it infrequently enough that its worth taking account of, or they do it eloquently enough it can be taken as emphasis rather than outright insults, or if they do it all the time, incoherently, and show no signs of changing this behaviour, they're banned.
Imposing a specific rule on either situation is silly, but imposing any rules beyond common sense on freedom of expression, including the negatives that come with that, will only lead to people skirting those rules as best they can, and thus passive aggression etc etc we've discussed this above.
ability and inclination to listen to what someone is saying and adapt
accordingly. If you are being aggressively stupid and you get warned
about it by a mod or older forum member, then the kind of person we want
to keep around will usually change their behavior accordingly, at
least a little.
A lot of my behaviors are problematic, which ones don't matter much at all and which ones should I change?
Vorpy - Post less, troll less, try to be serious once in a while without being sarcastic about how serious you are, troll less, troll less, stop crowing for attention, and troll less.