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  • edited 2017-05-05 17:16:10
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I'm still of the opinion that it's the implementation of the policies rather than their ideological label that's what really matters.

    And isn't "social democrat" more left-leaning than right-leaning anyway?  Though I guess that depends on where your "center" is, and for economic policy in the US it's further to the "right" than in Europe; dunno about Latin America.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Panamá is similarly right to the US, low taxation, highly unequal access to public services, some of my countrymen live in the late XIX century while the capital is basically a XXI century metropolis. though, no matter how shitty we at least have a public option. We are not mental.
  • I really didn't want to drag this up again, but since we're apparently going the "HH banned me for my political views" route...I think it's only fair if I get to say that's a willful mischaracterization of what went on, which included, among other things, racist remarks about "towel-wearing Muslims" and death threats toward another member.

    That's all the detail I'll go into by now, but I couldn't let that go unquestioned.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^ And she wouldn't be the first person, nor the last, to get suckered in by the illusion that "left" hates "free speech" as defined by the ability to be endlessly offensive without getting some flak in response.  (Heck, just you try to talk freely about stuff that the "right" dislikes, in front of them.)

    Getting angry and wanting to say mean things out of anger doesn't make one a Nazi, even if it is obnoxious, but Nazis don't mind using that as a way to make new supporters out of disaffected individuals.
  • edited 2017-05-05 20:38:28
    I really didn't want to drag this up again, but since we're apparently going the "HH banned me for my political views" route...I think it's only fair if I get to say that's a willful mischaracterization of what went on, which included, among other things, racist remarks about "towel-wearing Muslims" and death threats toward another member.

    That's all the detail I'll go into by now, but I couldn't let that go unquestioned.

    You're confusing me with somebody else. I haven't been banned from HH (for that reason or any other) or said/did any of these things.

    Does this have to do with mentioning socialism unfavorably?

    Because, frankly speaking, I think there's a handful of them who react poorly to things, and if it's the people I'm thinking of, there's about three of them who are just simply dismissive without trying to talk anything out, but this isn't just for politics, but for pretty much anything that annoys them.  I guess their idea of that site is basically just a place to putz around and not have to deal with the stresses they face elsewhere in their lives, since I think one of them struggles with depression, while the other is in a very difficult financial situation.  And so I can understand why they might feel that way, even though I, too, feel that their behavior is rather annoying, and they and I don't exactly get along sometimes.

    (Incidentally it was yesterday that I changed my user title to "Do not hate humans, for theirs is already a hard lot."  It's a [i]Castlevania: Symphony of the Night[/i] quote.)

    Also, I know that Marxist ideologies have not treated you and your country well, and I'm sorry to hear that, but do forgive us Americans for being somewhat interested in picking out at least the better parts of what they have to offer because our country is having [i]very[/i] severe problems with unchecked capitalism and plutocracy screwing over have-nots.

    (Also that's why I think that ideological labels are bunk.  If you can mix-and-match anyway, why classify like that.)

    Besides, Earthlight_Ray isn't talking about economic systems, but rather about identity politics and gender issues, which are a rather different dimension that does not line up neatly at all with economic ideologies.

    But hey, maybe you're right about those few who do react poorly to things, having a strong effect on shaping perceptions.

    One can (and should) wish for the best for their country, and if they can find value in socialism or whatever, all the better for them, but to jump from that and stand up for it, pretend it wouldn't commit the bullshit it's commited or that those of us affected by it shouldn't talk about it... well, there's a line in there somewhere.

    (Also, they would deny that last one (and have done so) until their faces turn blue, but that's what happened.)

    I'm still of the opinion that it's the implementation of the policies rather than their ideological label that's what really matters.

    And isn't "social democrat" more left-leaning than right-leaning anyway?  Though I guess that depends on where your "center" is, and for economic policy in the US it's further to the "right" than in Europe; dunno about Latin America.

    I used to believe it was a matter of implementation, too. Eventually I learned that what we're getting is simply the softcore version of what people in other parts of the world have gotten, and how it can be tracked to socialism.

    And yeah, social democracy is considered a lefty ideology. As for the spectrum thing, it varies wildly. Venezuela is of course heavily skewed to the left, Colombia to the right, I know Chile is heavily polarized on both ends, I think Perú, Brazil and Argentina are more-or-less center. Dunno about the others.

    I am a social democrat, and I understand the damage socialism has done to the venezuelan people. It really irks me when people abstract away the pain and misery of other polities for the sake of their feelings on local politics being validated.

    If it helps matters, I think you can genuinely use our situation to advocate for social democracy (three of the four largest opposition parties being openly social democrats, some of the (IMO) best governments we've had being social democratic, and pointing out that socialists hating social democracy means one probably shouldn't blame the latter for the former's faults, etc.)

  • You're confusing me with somebody else. I haven't been banned from HH (for that reason or any other) or said/did any of these things.


    She wasn't referring to you.
  • I really didn't want to drag this up again, but since we're apparently going the "HH banned me for my political views" route...I think it's only fair if I get to say that's a willful mischaracterization of what went on, which included, among other things, racist remarks about "towel-wearing Muslims" and death threats toward another member.

    That's all the detail I'll go into by now, but I couldn't let that go unquestioned.
    First of all fuck you (other) Alice. Secondly I've never said anything racist at all so eat shit. Thirdly I never threatened anyone's life, but gee I sure was angry at the time. I'm kind of angry now. At the end of the day I'm still beautiful and you're still fat and ugly.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    So I'm away for like a day and a half, and this is what I come back to.

    Main points seem to be:
    • Ray having a breakdown
    • Vorpy speaking words of wisdom
    • Insanity offering tips on flame tactics
    • Glenn being the put-upon mom of IJBM
    • Storm blaming socialism
  • edited 2017-05-05 21:14:21
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Central Avenue said:
    I really didn't want to drag this up again, but since we're apparently going the "HH banned me for my political views" route...I think it's only fair if I get to say that's a willful mischaracterization of what went on, which included, among other things, racist remarks about "towel-wearing Muslims" and death threats toward another member.
    That's all the detail I'll go into by now, but I couldn't let that go unquestioned.


    First of all fuck you (other) Alice. Secondly I've never said anything racist at all so eat shit. Thirdly I never threatened anyone's life, but gee I sure was angry at the time. I'm kind of angry now. At the end of the day I'm still beautiful and you're still fat and ugly.


    First: When you're angry, don't post, unless you can think clearly through that anger.

    Second: I'm pretty sure I remember you saying stuff like that.  It's okay that your memory of traumatic events is fuzzy, and you probably didn't mean to say those things, so that's why I'd rather not bring them up.

    Third: The more you try to put someone else down, the worse you show yourself to be to other people.  You're only making yourself look worse by indulging your anger and zapping insults at people.  If you want to prove that you're better, don't go back to having spitting contests.  Instead, rise above it.

    In summary: Can it.  If you don't, I'll have to restrict you to posting in Members Only threads.

    Also, being "fat and ugly" has jack all to do with this issue.  That's purely just you flying off the handle again.
  • I-I could keep em coming!!! I really want to! I have been dying to rip into her for literal years now. But I will umm not make the situation worse, ehehe.
  • Hmm, I kind of regret saying that stuff now, whoops >.> In most cases I'd be passive aggressive or something.
  • Yeah, that was definitely unwarranted.
  • edited 2017-05-05 21:18:38
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I-I could keep em coming!!! I really want to! I have been dying to rip into her for literal years now. But I will umm not make the situation worse, ehehe.


    You really, really need to talk to your therapist about how you have these grudges and can't let things go.  Because as long as you don't let them go, these personal demons of yours are going to keep on haunting you, and you're going to keep lashing out at people at the drop of a hat, like you just did, and that's going to continue to annoy not just the people you hate but also the other people around you, including people who want to be your friend but don't want to be part of your desires for spite.

    If you stop doing things like this, you'll stop pushing away people who might be your friends.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    lrdgck wrote: »
    • Glenn being the put-upon mom of IJBM


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  • I took a time-out and upon reflection, I was enraged because one of the people who took my leesh away decided to add insult to injury by levying more of her ridiculous accusations at me, the likes of which her clique once used to try to wipe me out of existence in typical SJW fashion. People like that giving rise to the alt right and trump. Actually I don't know if I agree with all of that anymore but that's what my first instinct is. I don't know why she'd make a post like that unless it was to make me angry, knowing I would respond very angrily and embarrass myself. Maybe I deserve it for insulting her all those times. Oh well.
  • edited 2017-05-05 21:49:53
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    I took a time-out and upon reflection, I was enraged because one of the people who took my leesh away decided to add insult to injury by levying more of her ridiculous accusations at me, the likes of which her clique once used to try to wipe me out of existence in typical SJW fashion. People like that giving rise to the alt right and trump. Actually I don't know if I agree with all of that anymore but that's what my first instinct is. I don't know why she'd make a post like that unless it was to make me angry, knowing I would respond very angrily and embarrass myself. Maybe I deserve it for insulting her all those times. Oh well.


    Or maybe, and is almost certainly the case in this instance, she had a different recollection of the events and wanted to present her side of the story, for the record.

    Sometimes, people say things that you react to but don't actually do that in order to make you mad.  This is why I've said, this is your paranoia acting up again.

    Anyway, in accordance with the private conversation you and I just had over Steam, I will now be restricting you to posting only in the Members Only category of this forum.  That will unfortunately restrict access to a few other threads you've been interested in, but I want your rehashing of this drama to stop ASAP, because it's not making anyone happy, not even yourself.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭

    Anyway, in accordance with the private conversation you and I just had over Steam, I will now be restricting you to posting only in the Members Only category of this forum.  That will unfortunately restrict access to a few other threads you've been interested in, but I want your rehashing of this drama to stop ASAP, because it's not making anyone happy, not even yourself.



    It's not because she has made 666 comments on IJBM with this account, and you wish to preserve that number, right?
  • Bovarian Mammarian
    whoa, evil
  • edited 2017-05-06 17:54:47
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Vorpy wrote: »

    Anyway, in accordance with the private conversation you and I just had over Steam, I will now be restricting you to posting only in the Members Only category of this forum.  That will unfortunately restrict access to a few other threads you've been interested in, but I want your rehashing of this drama to stop ASAP, because it's not making anyone happy, not even yourself.



    It's not because she has made 666 comments on IJBM with this account, and you wish to preserve that number, right?


    *evil_grin.gif*


  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Came back from the cinema, really liked Koe no Katachi
  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere
    Stormtroper, don't vague-blog about me on other sites. My issue with your views is that you insist on painting all ideologies to the left of mainstream social democracy with the same brush as the sort of corrupt, terminally inept and oppressive authoritarian Marxism-Leninism which defines your country's current political system, and derail any discussion of more progressive, liberal-democratic, law-abiding forms of socialist thought in action with foamy-mouthed red-baiting. Because clearly the rebel government of Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War is the same as Albania under Enver Hoxha or the last days of the First French Republic. It's the kind of sanctimonious rhetoric which, in an American political context, is constantly used to shut down conversations about even mild social democratic reforms which you do not seem to understand; and for the record, as a pragmatic libertarian socialist, I fully support the Venezuelan social democratic opposition, as it is infinitely preferable to the current perversion of distributism which prevails, so please don't give me shit about Western academics not understanding your plight.

    God, never has the teal dear been more appropriate. Sorry for importing drama but this bugged the shit out of me. Hope y'all are doing well.

    And Ray: I have a lot to say to you about a lot of things, but for all of my thoughts and feelings, and for as much as I hope that you get over this venomous grudge... I've heard you're doing fairly all right, all things considered, and I'm sincerely happy for you, and I hope that things keep going well for you from here on out.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    You mean libertarian socialist as in anarchist?
  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere
    Sort of. Again, I'm pragmatic, not dogmatic.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Okay, just wanted to make sure.
  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere
    The thing is, when you say, "I'm basically an anarchist with table manners," people look at you like you're insane, even if your basic points and many of your solutions are things they can get behind. Strictly speaking, democratic socialism is for the most part an aspirationally anarchist school of ideologies, in that it seeks to eliminate imbalances in power and give all people a fair and equal say in what their world should look like. But framing is everything, and emphasising the elimination of the state over the elimination of structural disadvantage seems foolhardy to me from both a practical and ideological perspective.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    JHM wrote: »
    My issue with your views is that you insist on painting all ideologies to the left of mainstream social democracy with the same brush as the sort of corrupt, terminally inept and oppressive authoritarian Marxism-Leninism which defines your country's current political system, and derail any discussion of more progressive, liberal-democratic, law-abiding forms of socialist thought in action with foamy-mouthed red-baiting. Because clearly the rebel government of Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War is the same as Albania under Enver Hoxha or the last days of the First French Republic. It's the kind of sanctimonious rhetoric which, in an American political context, is constantly used to shut down conversations about even mild social democratic reforms which you do not seem to understand

    Despite not being familiar with all the details of this opinion (such as the government systems/regimes cited herein), I am inclined to agree with this, based on my own experiences with U.S. politics.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    @ JHM: Since you showed up, will you be showing up for, uh, other purposes too?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    What an awkward way to solicit cybersex.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    This is terrible, but there's also the fact that apparently the marketing push for Wonder Woman is so terrible that this is all there is.
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