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General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

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  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    The issue with those invasions is that nation building is hard, and these weren't planned ahead at all. I would support an American invasion if they actually cared to Nation Build. But it is understandable they don't. So all we have is "Assad is a monster, but eh, not touching that." Which irks me to no end.
  • edited 2017-04-08 04:35:22
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > Having pushed those tactics and themes, Democrats have painted
    themselves into a corner. How could they possibly do anything but cheer
    as Trump bombs Syria? They can’t.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly am not.  This particular action could be good for the FSA, sure, but...needless to say, at the very least, this wasn't the way a good way to do it.  I'm not even sure it's good for vengeful gratification because I'm not sure how much pain Assad actually felt from this, considering that I'm hearing reports that he and his forces were warned of it.

    From this point forward, there are basically only a few possibilities:
    1. He doesn't attack Syria anymore.  His action becomes little more than an empty threat and is will likely be pilloried by both hawks (who want him to do more) and doves (who didn't want him to do this in the first place), and it's not like doves will trust him anyway since he's already broken whatever trust they had.
    2. He attacks Syria more.  Doves and isolationists (of which there were a good number in his camp) will hate him.  He becomes little more than a standard "neocon" and that actually gives an anti-war Dem a chance to scoop up anti-war/isolationist sentiment -- Trump did promise to avoid foreign wars and invest at home, and he'd have completely blown that promise.
    2a. He gets the US totally involved.  Russia becomes quite pissed off, of course, so he's going to leave himself up shit creek without a paddle, and I doubt the country is now in much of a mood for more war involvement in the Middle East, so he'll face a more protests, but this time there will be former Trump supporters who feel betrayed, among the protesters' ranks.
    2b. He gets the US only tangentially involved.  Probably the best possibility for him if this eventually leads to the fall of Assad.  Russia will still be pissed off though.  And if this doesn't lead to the fall of Assad, this just becomes like 2a, though perhaps only with a bit less strongly-opined opposition, as a waste of American money and American lives.
  • edited 2017-04-08 10:49:21
    vandro wrote: »
    The issue with those invasions is that nation building is hard, and these weren't planned ahead at all. I would support an American invasion if they actually cared to Nation Build. But it is understandable they don't. So all we have is "Assad is a monster, but eh, not touching that." Which irks me to no end.
     

    I see it like this: you can't Nation Build anywhere without first Nation Demolishing due to said nation resisting, and you end up inevitably killing a lot of the people you say you want to save. (The sincerity of that statement about doing it because you want to save the people depends on the person, of course. There are true believers and then there are people who just use it as a pretext.)

    Also, things are very shitty domestically right now, so if you're gonna build anywhere it's a good idea to start at home. For example, the U.S. infrastructure is in very bad shape. There is still not safe drinking water in Flint. Tens of thousands of Americans die every year because they don't have health insurance, and you could pay for their health care with a fraction of the taxpayer money currently allocated to the military and have plenty left over to pay for everybody's college education as well.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly am not.

    I think he mainly meant Democratic politicians, not people who voted/are registered as Dem.


    2. He attacks Syria more.  Doves and isolationists (of which there were a good number in his camp) will hate him.  He becomes little more than a standard "neocon" and that actually gives an anti-war Dem a chance to scoop up anti-war/isolationist sentiment -- Trump did promise to avoid foreign wars and invest at home, and he'd have completely blown that promise.

    Yup, when I mentioned earlier in the thread that he's flip-flopped on almost everything, that is one of the things I was referring to. He sounded like both a hawk and an isolationist on the campaign trail at different times. I doubt anybody posting here thought he'd be a good  president overall, but some of us may have held out hope that he would at least be better than Hillary on a few things. No such luck.

    In any case, things certainly don't look good. If that first possibility happens and it leads to him becoming unpopular, and eventually somebody less destructive taking his place, then great. If any of the others happen, then an already fucked-up world will become more fucked-up.
  • As defeatist as it sounds, It's been a while that I've been thinking that the war ending soon either way probably the least bad outcome by now.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Hey, remember "I'm not even sure it's good for vengeful gratification"?



    Hint: it's not.
  • As defeatist as it sounds, It's been a while that I've been thinking that the war ending soon either way probably the least bad outcome by now.


    I've felt the same way at times. Even if Syria ends up becoming even worse for its citizens when the dust settles, it'll at least stop being a war zone and will be a less dangerous place to live.
  • I'm kind of confused what you mean as it sounds like "even if it gets worse it'll be a better place to live in".
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    that's because there's different kinds of "worse"
  • Basically that you won't have to worry about getting bombed or shot at any more, but you might find yourself living under even worse oppression. It could go from a secular dictatorship to a theocratic one like Saudi Arabia.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    And so, dies at last the promise of the arab spring.
  • At least Tunisia has been doing fine, last I heard.
  • edited 2017-04-09 16:20:37
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    FYI

    Tuesday, April 11 - special election in Kansas's 4th Congressional District
    Tuesday, April 18 - special election in Georgia's 6th Congressional District (first round; runoff if no one gets 50%)

    If you've been following political election news you're probably aware of the special election in GA-06, a seat that Trump only barely won after Romney won it by a solid margin four years earlier.

    KS-04, on the other hand, is basically new to the radar -- so new that despite it's ruby-red hue (its PVI is R+15), the NRCC is buying attack ads: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/7/1650828/-Shock-upset-in-the-making-GOP-admits-Kansas-should-not-be-in-play-but-Kansas-is-in-play

    KS-04 is a south-central Kansas district encompassing Wichita and surrounding rural areas.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Isn't it so that like every second American president promises he'll cut down on military intervention, then ends up doing the same anyway?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    So, has anyone gotten close to assassinating Trump? Because all I ever hear is Trump hate.

    Like, somebody managed to throw a shoe at George W. Bush one time, and that's about as close to assaulting a president I've heard of in the past couple years.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Vorpy wrote: »
    So, has anyone gotten close to assassinating Trump? Because all I ever hear is Trump hate.

    Like, somebody managed to throw a shoe at George W. Bush one time, and that's about as close to assaulting a president I've heard of in the past couple years.


    I think it's become simultaneously fashionable to both hate on Trump and praise Trump.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    On that note, the news media has become very confusing. RT (I know what is wrong with me) especially in regards to Trump.

    Then again, ever since the media went from "This is the actual fact of the matter" to "This is what some guy said and even if it's a lie or extremely offensive (unless it's like, explicitly racist) we're just going to say what he said" I haven't really known what's going on with reality.

    I was watching The Listening Post and I was really surprised at the whole proliferation of fake inaccurate /partisan news reports, probably because I'm not on social media and still trust my proper corporate overlords (actually mostly my Qatari overlords I guess) for news.
    So, has anyone gotten close to assassinating Trump? Because all I ever hear is Trump hate.
    Hate is easy, work is hard. As funny as some of the stuff that's come out is (all of it from Samantha Bee and that is trufax) the truth is that the genuine response to wanting him out of office is to punish Republicans (election-wise) for being dumb enough to keep on with "as long as we're in control right?" and constantly berate Democrats for their inability to separate themselves from corporate money.

    Social media exists, but instead of using it to genuinely mobilize and keep a march on to the next elections, you joke about Donald Trump, cause it's easier than talking about the issues everyday.

    Maybe real life is just too hard and expecting people to put politics on top of their usual stuff is too much to ask, but I spend all day watching children's/grown-up children's cartoons and listening to music i barely understand and I still keep up with local and international politics somewhat okay.

    I mean, I'd give my [least important appendage] away to live in a country where voting mattered and fighting the power on any level didn't throw your life into ruin.
  • Democracy truly is a nice thing, isn't it?

    Hopefully one day it will be universal.
  • edited 2017-04-12 03:13:29
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    KS-04: With 619 of 620 precincts reporting... (unofficial results pending certification)

    Kansas state treasurer Ron Estes (R) has 60,945 votes (53%)

    civil rights attorney James Thompson (D) has 51,467 votes (45%)

    flight simulator instructor Chris Rockhold (L) has 1,971 votes (2%)

    Previous election results, November 2016:

    Trump (R) 60.2% and Clinton (D) 33.0% for president

    Pompeo (R) 166,998 (60.67%) and Giroux (D) 81,495 (29.61%) for Representative (the position for which this special election is being held)



    Next week: GA-06, where Trump only got 48% and Clinton 47%.
  • Who here is a socialist?
  • *raises hand*
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I've given up on firmly identifying as an ideological label because every one of them could potentially be used to mischaracterize me, but I'm basically something of a personal conservative and a political progressive rolled into one.
  • "In a mad world, only the mad are sane!"-Akira Kurosawa, Ran
    Probably. Libertarian socialist/social democrat, whatever you wanna call it. Portugese model on drugs, Nordic model on welfare state, New Zealand model on sex work and Murkan model on freedom of speech, among most defining political stances I adhere to. 
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Social democrat.
  • Counter-revolutionary.
  • edited 2017-04-18 05:24:26
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    It's just past midnight Tuesday here in local time and today's the big day for four special elections -- or at least their first rounds in two cases.

    Alabama - State House of Representatives District 67
    Georgia - U.S. House of Representatives District 6
    Georgia - State Senate District 32
    Virginia - Prince William County Clerk of Circuit Court

    GA-06 is the most prominent one, located in a more-educated/higher-income part of the northern suburbs of Atlanta, which Mitt Romney won convincingly (64%-38%) in 2012 but then Donald Trump won only barely (48%-47%) in 2016.  It was previously occupied by now Health-and-Human-Services Secretary Tom Price (R).  It has gained a lot of attention for former congressional aide and investigative filmmaker Jon Ossoff (D) raising an unusually large (for a House race; he raised $8.3M while campaigns even in wealthy suburbs usually don't go above a few million) amount of money in donations from people opposed to Trump, including a large number of small-amount donations.  Five Democrats, eleven Republicans, and two independents are running.

    GA-SD32 is also in the northern Atlanta suburbs, and was previously represented by State Sen. Judson Hill...who is running for GA-06.  Romney won this district 67%-31%; 2016 presidential numbers are not available yet but given that the territory is similar; a similar drop-off is expected.  Three Democrats and five Republicans are running.

    AL-HD67 is a district encompassing all of Dallas County and part of Perry County, and is basically centered on Selma.  It was represented by Darrio Melton, who was elected mayor of Selma.  As a majority-minority district, it heavily favors Democrats.  A special primary election between four Democrats was held on January 31, 2017, and Selma Municipal Judge Prince Chestnut (D) won that race with 70% of the vote, averting the need for a runoff primary.  The special general election will be between Chestnut (D) and Tremayne "Toby" Gorden (independent), whom I can't find any info on.

    Both Georgia races are "jungle primaries" meaning that multiple Democrats and Republicans can run in each race, and if no one gets 50%, a runoff election will be held.  I think this would apply to the Alabama race as well but there are only two candidates.

    Virginia's Prince William County is a northern Virginia county immediately southwest of the populous Fairfax County, and consists basically of suburbs/exurbs of Washington, DC.

    Political background: Historically it was heavily Republican but in recent years it has trended Democratic, taking after Fairfax County, due in part to heavy population growth in this area.  Barack Obama defeated Mitt Romney 57%-42% here and Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump 58%-37%, but the county still leans Republican in other elected officials, with them controlling 2 of 5 congressional seats that include at least part of the county, 6 of 8 House of Delegates (i.e. state house) districts that include at least part of the county, and 6 of 8 seats on the Board of County Supervisors (where the chairman is controversy-baiting and Trump-supporting Corey Stewart who is now running for governor of Virginia), though Democrats control 3 of 5 state senate districts that include at least part of the county.

    This race: The incumbent Clerk of Circuit Court, Michèle McQuigg (R), was first elected in 2008 and re-elected in 2015, but passed away on February 16, 2017.  Two candidates are on the ballot -- lawyer Jacqueline C. Smith (D), who previously ran against McQuigg in 2015 and lost by a small margin, and Jackson H. Miller (R), delegate for district 50 of the House of Delegates and majority whip for the Republicans in that legislative chamber.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Meanwhile in Maine:
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Virginia — Prince William County — Clerk of Circuit Court special election

    Percentage of precincts reporting: 100 percent
    Jacqueline C. Smith (D) 13,905 votes (53.93%)
    Jackson Hunter Miller (R) 11,871 votes (46.04%)

    D pickup.

    Georgia races are still being counted.  GA-06 seems somewhat likely to be heading to a runoff, but about 2/3 of the precincts have yet to be counted.  GA-SD32 is almost certainly heading to a runoff.

    Can't find info on Alabama race.

  • edited 2017-04-19 04:17:11
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    In AL-HD67: Dallas County reports a roughly 20:1 lead for Chestnutt (D) over Gorden (i) (2788 to 151), but Perry County hasn't reported yet.  Dallas County contains Selma, which I think is the main population center of this district.

    GA-06 is headed to a runoff, with Ossoff (D) taking about 48% of the vote (about 1% going to other Democrats) in the jungle primary.  Runoff June 9th.

    GA-SD32 is headed to a runoff.  Runoff May 16th.  Looks to be Christine Triebsch (D) vs. Kay Kirkpatrick (R); they finished with about 24% and 21% respectively today.
  • edited 2017-04-19 06:23:17
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    In AL-HD67: Dallas County reports a roughly 20:1 lead for Chestnutt (D) over Gorden (i) (2788 to 151), but Perry County hasn't reported yet.

    GA-06 is headed to a runoff, with Ossoff taking about 48% of the vote (about 1% going to other Democrats) in the jungle primary.  Runoff June 9th.

    GA-SD32 is headed to a runoff.  Runoff May 16th.

    Rundown of upcoming special elections, written by yours truly

    (edit: more reader-friendly format here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/04/19/1654239/-UPCOMING-SPECIAL-ELECTIONS-(rest-of-Aprilend-of-June,-plus-one )

    APRIL 25
    CT-HD07 - downtown Hartford, U of Hartford (previous D incumbent elected to state senate; Obama 96.9% Romney 2.8%)
    CT-HD68 - Watertown (previous R incumbent elected to state senate; Obama 38.4% Romney 60.4%)

    APRIL 27
    TN-HD95 PRIMARY - Collierville, Fisherville, eastern exurbs(?) of Memphis (separate party primaries; Dem unopposed in primary; see June 15 below)

    APRIL 29
    LA-SD02 JUNGLE(?) PRIMARY - Baton Rouge and points south and east along the MS River (previous D incumbent resigned & pled no contest to domestic abuse charges; Obama 63.9% Romney 35.1%)

    MAY 2
    SC-05 PRIMARY (separate primaries for each party? I think) - northern SC along NC border, incl. parts of Newberry, Spartanburg, Sumter Counties (previous R incumbent became OMB director; Clinton 38.8% Trump 57.3%; primary runoff May 16 if required)

    MAY 9
    OK-HD28 - east/southeast of Oklahoma City (previous R incumbent resigned to go to private sector; Obama 31.3% Romney 68.7%, and apparently the district has a large (~17%) population of Native Americans)

    MAY 16
    GA-SD32 RUNOFF - Sandy Plains, East Cobb, Westfield (jungle primary April 18; incumbent ran in GA-06 special; Obama 31.5% Romney 66.7%)
    SC-05 PRIMARY RUNOFF (if required)

    MAY 23
    NH-HD Hillsborough 44 (two seat floterial district), Litchfield , The Mall of New Hampshire (previous R incumbent passed away; Obama 48.% Romney 50.8%)
    NH-HD Carroll County 6 - Wolfeboro (two seat district), previous R incumbent resigned to join Gov. C. Sununu's administration; Obama 43.2% Romney 56.0%)
    NY-SD30 - Harlem, Columbia U, Upper West Side, East Harlem (previous D incumbent elected to NYC Council; Obama 95.3%, Romney 3.8%)
    NY-AD09 - Babylon, West Babylon, West Islip, East Massapequa, Gilgo Beach (previous R incumbent appointed town supervisor of Oyster Bay; Obama 43.4% Romney 55.5%)

    MAY 25 (THURSDAY)
    MT-AL (previous R incumbent became cabinet secretary; Clinton 35.9% Trump 56.5%)

    MAY 27 (SATURDAY)
    LA-SD02 RUNOFF (if necessary?, see note above on April 29)

    MAY 30
    SC-SD03 - western SC, north/west of Anderson (previous R incumbent elected LG, NOTE: April 11 primary produced two Republicans for runoff; Obama 26.7% Romney 71.7%)
    SD-HD84 - east of Augusta, GA (previous R incumbent resigned / indicted on domestic violence and weapon charges; Obama 34.8% Romney 64.2%)

    JUNE 6
    CA-34 - all Dem runoff for Xavier Becerra's old seat (he's now CA AG)

    JUNE 15 (THURSDAY)
    TN-HD95 - Collierville/Fisherville (previous R incumbent resigned "amid accusations of sexual misconduct, but denied the claims"; Obama 23.4% Romney 75.8%)

    JUNE 20
    GA-06 RUNOFF (jungle primary April 18; Clinton 46.8% Trump 48.3%)
    SC-05 (previous R incumbent became director of OMB; Clinton 38.8% Trump 57.3%)
    SC-HD48 - Tega Cay, India Hook, SSW of Charlotte, NC (previous R incumbent resigned to run for SC-05; Obama 35.7% Romney 62.6%)
    SC-HD70 - southeast of Columbia, Hopkins (previous D incumbent passed away; Obama 73.9% Romney 25.2%)

    unscheduled:
    NH-HD Hillsborough 15 (two-seat district), top half of Hillsborough 44 (see above) (previous R incumbent passed away; Obama 48.0% Romney 51.0%)
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