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  • I was Vanguard in 1 & 3, and Adept in 2.


    And...just finished the game. Kinda wish I'd been able to play it without having heard so much emphasis on the end, because I'm not sure how I'd feel about it on my own. I'll go talk more about it in the vidya thread, I guess.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Hey Alex, how would a knight in the medieval/dark ages react to suddenly being thrown forwards to our times? In terms of differences in culture, etc.

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    There was a French film. Visitors, was it? In short, chances are he'd have a hard time dealing with the fact peasants are people and heathens freely roam the streets.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I'd imagine there's a lot more to it than that. I mean, everything has changed.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    I imagine they'd freak out in general, although that's not very helpful, is it? 


    Their personality will play a big part here. If they're proud and feel very entitled about their lawful and social privileges, then they might end up in jail or a mental asylum. A more "ideal" kind of knight (humble, observant, ect.) would be more likely to keep their misgivings to themselves, or try to understand things. Either way, I can see a knight finding a lot of stability as an active member of a local Christian parish, which would allow them to retreat into familiarity for a while. 


    I also expect a knight is likely to be sexist and religiously biased (perhaps aggressively so), but would balk at the racism in modern society. To a bad knight, a woman is an object to own; to a good one, they're a person to protect. One is hateful, the other is condescending, so pick your poison unless they're very exceptional. The religious bias ought to be fairly straightforward, depending on where and when they come from. A Crusader knight will act differently to a late medieval secular knight on the matter; the latter is likely to be much more tolerant (or at least non-aggressive) toward other religions. Discrimination in the Middle Ages could be based on a number of factors, but race wasn't one of them because the basis of racial hierarchy didn't exist in a society that frowned upon slavery. There's also the fact that the dominant societies of medieval Europe were essentially based on unaligned tribes and "freedom fighters" who fought Roman Imperialism, which turned them away from a lot of that kind of stuff until the Renaissance. 


    A knight is also probably quick to violence against someone who they consider both an equal and a threat. Not necessarily lethal violence, but in the case of a conflict, they might want "satisfaction" (oh god you could play a good joke or two with that) or a contest of arms. Even that depends, though. The writers (and presumably students) of the master swordsmen of the times preferred to hide their methods if at all possible, which meant they were only used on the battlefield, in legitimate self-defense and during judicial duels. Paradoxically, then, the better your knight is at fighting, the less likely they are to engage in violence. Faster than your average person today, mind, but still. 


    A fair few knights were likely to have been scientifically-inclined. Contrary to popular belief, the Catholic Church was at the forefront of scientific research and discovery throughout the entire Middle Ages, and plenty of knights took on disciplines apart from combat and warfare. Some were poets, artists, philosophers. Others were primitive scientists. 


    It's kind of a tough question, because so much depends on the individual, but the above should make for a good guideline. Just remember that "knight" is a very vague term that defines different things in different time periods and locations, where each time and location has a range of variation in itself. Some knights were rapacious thugs who exploited their position, and others were paragons of saintly goodness; most were somewhere in the middle, although I suspect the majority of them at least tried to be on the better side of the equation. 

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    The individual knight in question is... a basically decent guy, who was a Knight who tried to be a good guy but very much had his culture's expectations pressed on him. Then he was, uh, frozen and released into the future.


    I figured that he would be sexist and pretty heavily religious-minded, but I hadn't thought about the racism.

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    Racism shouldn't be much of a factor, like Alex already pointed out. If a knight saw lots of, say, black people on the street, he could be frightened that the Muslims conquered the world. Heh heh heh. But he'd likely have no cultural basis to see anything wrong in black skin colour.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Okay.


    Thing is, I'd imagine there are a lot of smaller things a character like that would need to get used to. For example, cars. Or phones. Travel that is able to cover hundreds of miles in a single day? Communicating instantly with someone on the other side of the country?

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Things like phones wouldn't phase them in terms of concept ("It carries sound? Like a cave? GREETINGS!?"), I think, but it would be wrapping their mind around microscale concepts as used in post-folkloric sciences (a "folkoric" science might be alchemy, for instance). 


    Oh, and our culture's open attitude towards sexuality would probably be worrisome to a knight, too. 


    It might be worth thinking about things that would be familiar to them, but just "off". It could be language, religion, art, music -- thinks with recognisable but altered elements. Like looking at something in the past that parallels today, but in reverse. 

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Things like phones wouldn't phase them in terms of concept ("It carries sound? Like a cave? GREETINGS!?")



    It's more... the ramifications. Someone who actually fought in a war, someone who lived in times when travel was slow and it took weeks to cross a couple day's journey for us and if you lived more than a village away from somebody you basically can't communicate with them, comes across this device which enables instant communication anywhere across the globe. That's gotta be confusing.



    Oh, and our culture's open attitude towards sexuality would probably be worrisome to a knight, too. 



    welp



    a "folkoric" science might be alchemy, for instance



    about that.

  • Mass PMs continue to be stupid and unnecessary.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    And yet somehow less annoying than accumulating that many posts in another thread on a topic only a select few are interested in, I imagine.

  • edited 2012-06-27 07:38:42

    Or, you know, everyone could continue talking about it here, or Juan could make a new thread for it, or anything less ridiculous than making a PM that everyone is involved in.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    The idea that ranged combat has become the norm would throw them, too. Knights never really liked ranged weapons and would probably consider it "unfair" or "immoral" that killing at a distance had become so easy. 


    Alchemy was the predecessor to chemistry. While it contained a significant amount of hoo-ha widdly-woop, it also did a bunch of stuff that worked. Stuff like forging steel, brewing primitive medicines and the like. There's things in there that are unnecessary, or technically work but are inefficient means of ending up at the desired result. For instance, some weaponsmiths apparently quenched their works in blood during the forging process, as it was thought to imbue particular qualities. This might have an inkling of truth because of the viscosity of blood (and perhaps its iron content? No idea), but by and large, water is easier to get and every bit as good. A lot of alchemy is kind of like this -- legitimate methods for producing a certain item or object that come from a position of both scientific inquisitiveness and ignorance, kind of ending up at the desired result through trial, error and luck until arriving at a consistent solution. 


    Essentially, what happens when you make chemistry MAGICAL


     

  • edited 2012-06-27 07:44:46
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Yes, I'm sure everyone would appreciate (all 6 of) us cluttering a thread with nearly a hundred posts about something I don't think most people here give a flying fuck around.


    Not to mention that a PM is, you know, private, which is good when you don't actually want random whoevers looking at it.


    ^ but there is like... real magic alchemy.


  • Yes, I'm sure everyone would appreciate (all 6 of) us cluttering a thread with nearly a hundred posts about something I don't think most people here give a flying fuck around.



    Which is different from every single other conversation in this thread how?

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    They're over in less than two pages.


    Or, more correctly, the ones that aren't don't involve multiple multi-page posts.


    Not to mention, they're still fuckin' private which is kind of the operative thing here as far as I'm concerned.


    Oh, whatever, now I'm fucking irritated. Signing out.

  • Mass PMs are novel and I like them.

  • Likes cheesecake unironically.

    You're too hung up on ideals and stuff.



    It's amusing to read something like this by someone with an avatar that resembles Sayaka from Madoka, although I have no idea whether it's Sayaka or another character, who is unfortunate enough to look like her.

  • If you're not sure, it's not funny.


    Maybe slightly amusing.

  • It is Sayaka though, so...

  • if u do convins fashist akwaint hiz faec w pavment neway jus 2 b sur

    The results for the Faculty of Law entry exam are in!

    Of almost 1700 candidates, I'm 106th on the list, with 90.06/100 points. That makes me eligible for state-funded education!

    FUCK YEAH!

  • Congratulations.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    o/

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    o/o/o/ - also known as the Sieg Heil emoticon. Congrats BTW.

  • edited 2012-06-27 11:40:46
    I'm a damn twisted person

    Eh give him the horns emoticon. 


     


    As for Sayaka I just like her character design. What kind of dope would pick something for an avatar if they thought the character represented a facet of their personality beyond looking cool?

  • You can change. You can.

    What kind of dope would pick something for an avatar if they thought the character represented a facet of their personality beyond looking cool?



    >_>


    <_<

  • edited 2012-06-27 13:04:53
    a little muffled

    @Bastion:

    oh, if you used to play before it was free and you can remember your account information, you can send tells and use your old characters and stuff.
    Remembering my account info would be the difficult part there, but also good to know.


    Edit: Oh, hey, I managed to get into my NCsoft account.

  • edited 2012-06-27 14:34:15
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    The incumbent representative of Oklahoma's first House of Representatives district, John Sullivan, lost in a primary election last night, in an under-the-radar upset by some tea-partier.

    Turns out that it was the grounds of a proxy war between, of all people, ophthalmologists and optometrists.  According to the write-up on Daily Kos Elections, Sullivan co-sponsored a bill that favored ophthalmologists and hurt optometrists, and a proxy war ensued.  The optometrists won, and Jim Bridenstine is now pretty much a shoo-in for the seat in the general election in this dark-red district.


    Fun fact: this ain't the first time optician drama has been relevant in Oklahoma law and politics.

    IJBM:my parents making me go to bed before I'm tired, even though there's nothing I need to get up for.

    I know this feel, bro.  I know it all too well.

    The results for the Faculty of Law entry exam are in!

    Of almost 1700 candidates, I'm 106th on the list, with 90.06/100 points. That makes me eligible for state-funded education!

    Congrats!

    have you considered selling your imagination to the military to be abused as a WMD, GMH

    It's not my imagination; I'm not using my imagination for these actually.  I'm just passing my visual data through my lack of skill at using MS Paint with a mouse.  The results are quite rich in insanity.

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