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What if I tell you the magus that summoned my avatar is a dude trying to save the daughter of the woman he loves from a life of suffering? And he is doomed to fail, and his organs fail him first.
It kind of is though. The entire concept relies on it being an unexpected twist on the magical girl genre (see:All the marketing and how much it contrasts with the tone of the show and in fact explicitly contradicts a lot of the things that happen in the show) which only works if it actually is somewhat original. The problem is that in spite of this the show still just turned into a kind of standard action magical girl show complete with the heroine achieving her goal via the poorly-justified power of love/friendship/whatever. Adding to that, there are numerous pacing issues and I kind of thought most of the plot twists after episode 3 were laughable at best (as in, I actually laughed at how stupid some of them were).
Also, yes Everest, the fights absolutely were one of the big selling points of the series, though secondary to the OUTRAGEOUS MOE APPEAL of the main cast.
I know the fights are important. I was saying that there's a lot more to Madoka than "the fights looked cool", even as far as simply the way that the fights actually have relevance to the continuation of the plot and lasting consequences; the flashiness of the action sequences shouldn't take priority over the dramatic tension of the show, given what it is.
Same here. I just happen to also like depressing escapism.
I don't think so, or at least, I don't think they should have been. The fine details behind the fights, and the sequences behind them, don't seem particularly important, to me. I can understand it from a marketing standpoint, I suppose.
I guess I wasn't the target audience. And I guess ASOIAF can be depressing.
Hmm, maybe I liked precisely because I'm unfamiliar with the genre.
I normally try to not take into account marketing and advertising into a work's quality and aims simply due to the fact that most of the time, they're done by other people who're trying to gain an audience, rather than giving a produce to the right audience.
you'll have to explain to me how magic's poorly justified. And they even explained everything before Madoka's victory happened.
also blah blah blah thematical approach to choice and all that that Malk will probably do better than me or Alex would explain in a worse and lenghtier fashion.
Okay, "poorly justified" more in the sense that I think magic in general is a pretty poor justification for things of great importance because it kind of seems like a cop-out, since magic can be used as an explanation for absolutely anything. I'm alright with it in less "serious" works of fiction but considering Madoka's tone it just felt kind of cheap. Perhaps I would have been more okay with it if it were suggested (preferably more than once) earlier in the series that magic could work like that (meaning, how it was it explained in episode 11 or whenever) but as far as I remember it really wasn't.
Wasn't it outright stated that with each successive time loop Madoka's magic potential grew larger and larger and larger and larger, and larger and larger and you know, when something is too large it becomes basically unlimited.
Well, this derailed quick.
^^ Yes. But only in episode 11 and also with that I thought it was kind of bizarre anyway since the implication was that it was only Madoka's magic potential that was increasing and then only because Homura was traveling through time for her sake, which doesn't really make much logical sense and yet wasn't really explained beyond that at all so again it just comes down to "a wizard did it."
>And I guess ASOIAF can be depressing.
>I guess
ASOIAF is a thousand times more depressing than Madoka. :V
But the whole show's plot revolved around magic. And in any case, I don't remember any of the magic being poorly explained, and I think the show would have been worse off if it had been implied earlier that magic could work quite like that; giving the explanation when they did was sufficient, I thought.
But there were hints throught out the whole series that Madoka was special and that she could solve the show's conflict by herself, and not just from the metafictional perspective where she's the hero and thus she has to solve it, but from a watsonian perspective where various characters try to make her accept kyubey's contract or make her refuse, according to their goals.
She's basically the story's McGuffin in that she's a big source of power that the two protagonists try to fight for in order to control. Admittedly, this helps towards making Madoka herself bland. But it's obvious that the story's actual protagonist is Homura, anyway.
At least Madoka has mostly decent characters to care about. ASOIAF left me numb for the most part.
homu homu homu
I had a big post typed up, but then I realized that Juan and Everest said stuff better, so I'm just going to echo them.
butbutbut Robert Baratheon! The Starks!
Well yeah, I only said for the most part.
I'd say that the Starks are the most part of ASOIAF
then again, i only watched Game of Thrones, what do i know
Also, you forgot Davos, Stannis, and Barristan.
Edit: Never mind, you only watched GoT. Read the books.
I dunno. I mean, most of the characters in ASOIAF are shitheads (intentionally, but still), but bad stuff happens to them waaaaay too often for my liking. I never really thought Madoka was that depressing; if anything, the characters are more sympathetic than usual, but the situation didn't strike me as being the most dire I had ever seen in fiction (and I'm pretty sure I've seen worse shit happen to characters in works that are universally considered less depressing), especially with the delightfully vague implications that Madoka would somehow solve everything anyway.
Anyway, I know it's going to seem like I'm just bailing out if I leave this conversation now but I doubt everyone else really wants to continue it either and I really want to do other stuff so...
I'm mostly running out of stuff to argue anyway. I do think the show had a number of flaws but it's not like I could justify it anyway even if I were right because shit at arguing. Also, I haven't watched the show since it aired so it's not quite fresh in my memory anymore.
Anyway, from a completely different perspective... Or something... Homura was cute when she had braids and glasses, Madoka was occasionally cute throughout the series, every other character inspired no particular feelings in me except that I really really couldn't stand Sayaka after about the halfway point.
your definition of vague's bizarre, man.
anyway, I'd say that Madoka's definetly got problems (To bring up a point I constantly bring up, and that DYRe reminded me of, its pacing's horrible. Scenes often overstay their welcome and rift on and on rambling on the same points they try to convey rather than cutting to the chase and go to the heart of the matter) but it's still a rather not bad show. Not as perfect as most internet communities make it out to be, but I certainly enjoyed it and had fun watching it, as well as breaking it down whenever I had a chance. It's not majorly complex, of course, but its play on archetypes of common heroical stories + classic literature stories is good enough to keep my inner pretentious asshole content.
And that fight/ending song was pretty beast.
"your definition of vague's bizarre, man."
. . . Yeah, that was an inexcusably poorly-worded post. I meant that the idea that Madoka would solve the problem was there all along, but no reasoning was given for it, so it retained dramatic tension.
I don't remember the show well enough to comment on its pacing, so I'll not argue on that point.
^ Hell yeah, it was. Another one of its strengths is a superb soundtrack.
A song of ice and fire...hmmm, perfect macro for this.
Better yet
suddenly, i want Rowling and Martin to just sit down and interview each other and suddenly, it turning into a dick(breast?)waving contest
AND THEN THEY FUCKED!
That would be nearly as disturbing and unsexy as ASOIAF's sex scenes.
I prefer the Rowling and Tomino one.
Lilly, Emi, and Hanako are all pretty cool, especially Lilly.
I've finished Lilly,Emi and Hanako's routes,all with good ends.
This obviously means I'm a hell of a donjuán and haven't noticed till now