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Iowa Caucus thread

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  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ...it ever was?
  • edited 2012-01-06 21:10:47
    Nobody I know, including conservatives like my family and myself, ever thought of the tea party as more than an extremist joke.
  • It was funny until they got into office.
  • Very true. Now they're an embarrassing trouble.
  • Good people don't end up here.
    ...it ever was?

    Less than a week, but I think it at least existed. The parties have gotten very good at bringing their fanbase under control.
  • edited 2012-01-07 09:27:21
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^ That's why I would love to see Santorum win the Republican nomination.
  • Champion of the Whales
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16434859

    This was a good read about the GOP.

    Also, its quite scary as a European that the leftest man in the field is someone who has rightshifted since 1994.
  • edited 2012-01-07 09:57:19
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    "I am more struck by what unites the candidates in policy terms and
    ideologically than what divides them. It is much more visceral and
    cultural than it is ideological," [Thomas Mann, senior fellow at the non-partisan think tank the Brookings Institution,] tells BBC News.

    What is giving conservative Republican voters second thoughts about Mr
    Romney is the "authenticity of his embrace of their agenda," says Mr
    Mann.


    Indeed.  Someone else whose name I forgot (probably on Daily Kos Elections) had commented that this seemed like "tribalism"--it's all about whether you're one of them, and you can totally agree with conservative tea-partiers on policy issues but they might still not accept you if they don't feel you are one of them.  So basically, you don't just have to speak of their policy ideas, you have to live and breathe that spirit.

    There's a certain amount of "cultural" superiority amongst such conservatives.  They're no longer thinking what policy options are best for the country; they're only thinking about what policy options advance their agenda.  That's because they've implicitly already decided that their agenda, their governing philosophy/ideology, is best, and almost nothing you say, no amount of evidence or reasoning, will convince them otherwise.

    If you do happen to be arguing with one such person, remember that arguing against them is a lost cause, and if anything, you are aiming to sway the audience, not your opponent.
  • edited 2012-01-07 12:02:55
    Give them pleasure - the same pleasure they have when they wake up from a nightmare.
    RON PAUL

    FOR

    PRESIDENT!

    And that's my 2 cents for this discussion. He has my royal endorsement.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I find that Ron Paul functions a lot better as a muckraker on the side bringing to light the problems that no one wants to talk about rather than as an actual leader.  Some of his ideas really are rather crazy.
  • Good people don't end up here.
    ^ That's why I would love to see Santorum win the Republican nomination.


    Ah, I'm not quite sure I'm following your logic. Could you elaborate?
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Because that would be the conservative base people actually running away with the nomination and defying even the power of the Republican strategists who created this beast in the first place.
  • Good people don't end up here.
    Got it.

    That'd be cool, but I'd still prefer to see both parties splinter apart under the force of their own cultivated factionalism and watch the government become proportionally representative overnight.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I generally like the liberal/progressive/populist coalition that the Dems currently cover, though.
  • Good people don't end up here.
    And if they realized they were a coalition rather than a uniform ideological bloc that exists primarily to oppose another coalition mistaken for a uniform ideological bloc, it would be even better.
  • Champion of the Whales
    Is it bad that I just compared teh Dems and the GOP to the two great European Alliances of 1914 in my head?
  • Good people don't end up here.
    If by bad you mean a contraction for badass.
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