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IJBM - is it in decline?

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  • captainbrasscaptainbrass

    My blog is - not the most visited site on the internet. If I could think up a reason to write something about IJBM I would, but even at it's worst it just isn't dramatic enough to hang a post on. I got two completely tl;dr entries from TV Tropes v. CrazyGoggs/the Goons.


    A really good writer could have hung a novel on that shit.I'm not aware that anyone's actually written fiction based on online forums before.

  • BastionBastion
    edited 2011-12-18 14:25:15
    smote

    Because seriously, it's so much less annoying here now that USERS WHO WILL NOT BE NAMED BUT IT'S KIND OF OBVIOUS WHO are not here anymore.


    Eh. I'd rather have a small, but pretty cool community than a large community with people like INSERT OBVIOUS ANNOYING USER HERE.

    Things like this are probably part of the problem. Whenever something happens, instead of a reason being given, everyone says "I'm not going to say, but it's obvious who/why". Or a discussion happens in a PM thread that gains enough participants that it's practically public anyway. Suffice to say this represents a bit of a barrier to people who aren't paying the closest attention attention to the site, much less new posters.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ^ Because gravedancing/personal attacks/bluh bluh bluh

    I feel like if someone is enough of an idiot/jackass/whatever to earn the ire of the entire forum and get themselves permabanned, we should be able to act happy that they're gone.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2011-12-18 14:40:49
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    TBH, I've never been sure what our official policy on it was. I personally don't particularly care for it, since I prefer to just stop thinking about a real problem poster once they're gone, but do we actually officially ban it?

    EDIT: having looked through the rules thread, it's not mentioned at all...:/
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I agree with Protega here. I think we should be able to be honest about what we think about people and being able to say it, instead of skirting along the lines of "Not saying names, but obviously I am"
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I started a backroom thread for talking about that and a couple other oddities I noticed about the rules thread. Thanks for bringing this up.
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-12-18 14:45:19
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ^^^ I'm pretty sure it's not in the rules, but it feels like every time a problem poster gets banned that no one likes, a mod (Glenn?) tells everyone to stop gravedancing. Or preempts it or whatever.

    ninja'd a bunch of times
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-12-18 14:49:49
    Has friends besides tanks now
    I'm in agreement that we shouldn't be so dodgy about past issues; in other words, I'm fine with gravedancing as long as it's not just slinging names at them. That way, if anyone asks who X annoying user is, we can tell them exactly what that person did, and why we don't want them around, or for the things they did to happen again, rather than just giving vague descriptions and making it tougher to visualize.
  • captainbrasscaptainbrass

    ^ I always thought gravedancing was announcing "Well, I hated him/her and I'm glad he/she's gone. Hooray!" when someone was banned. As long as we keep to the facts of what they did without getting too personal, and where it's relevant, we should be able to discuss past misdeeds.


    With someone like Chagen, who has minor notoriety well beyond here, it's a bit ridiculous to pretend we don't all know exactly why he caused trouble and eventually got himself banned. I half expect to get home for Christmas and find my mother knows about him. 

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I half expect to get home for Christmas and find my mother knows about him.

    "CAPTAIN BRASS! I read your latest internet escapades! I swear to god, young man, if you keep associating with this...this...Chagen, I'll disown you!"
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Also, all the FATAL ERRORS are probably not helping us.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I just don't like it when gravedancing becomes a nest for sniping.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Is it any better than the passive aggressive commentary? 
  • gentlemanorcusgentlemanorcus
    I just tend to be somewhat cautious about saying names. Maybe I'm just used to the TVTropes moderation. 
  • RaddRadd
    Chagen. There. There's not even much of a difference in the discussion now.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^Er...you're late to the party by six posts and over an hour :P
  • RaddRadd
    edited 2011-12-18 18:25:02
    I meant Tnu. I was totally under the impression that we were talking about Tnu. I didn't forget about anybody's posts and then not look up or anything.
  • gentlemanorcusgentlemanorcus
    Also, I didn't specifically mean Chagen. It was meant to be up to your interpretation, whether it be Tnu, Chagen, or whoever else. 
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I just tend to be somewhat cautious about saying names. Maybe I'm just used to the TVTropes moderation. 

    Honestly, I will always be bothered by the notion that we need to avoid stepping in some toes because some people might be bothered. 

    I'm not saying that if, say, INUH decided to lash out at Everest, to mention two mods, Glenn shouldn't step in. But I'm saying that if INUH doesn't like Everest, he should be able to say so. Just not try to make every thread in which they discuss about how much he dislikes Everest. 

    I think such a balance is possible, isn't it?
  • gentlemanorcusgentlemanorcus
    ^ Fair enough. I didn't really think that much about the post, to be honest. I've insulted Chagen by name before.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^^ I agree; I dislike gag orders on open and frank discussion.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I like this board being fun and quiet.

    So long as you're only with me IJBM... I won't let any other board stand in the way of our love... I'll kill any that will!
  • NyarlyNyarly
    edited 2011-12-19 02:00:27
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    I just tend to be somewhat cautious about saying names. Maybe I'm just
    used to the TVTropes moderation.


    Considering how long it takes for an obviously ban-worthy user to be banned, there seem to be uncomfortable similarities. Although I'd say that the TV Tropes mods are too apathetic to things they don't care about (they are pretty dedicated to silence certain opinions), while the mods here are just too tolerant.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    They did get rid of Cornucopian Socialist fairly quickly after he posted a dick. Though that's an explicit case.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-12-19 10:25:02
    You can change. You can.
    Yeah, mods have changed their ways.

    They grow up so fast. :')
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^^We were pretty much looking for an excuse.

    We weren't expecting one quite that thorough, though :P
  • LouieWLouieW
    edited 2011-12-19 12:24:30
    Loser
    As far as bans go, I think that IJBM II's staff has been pretty good about banning users when they break the rules judging based off of such things as the proportion of banned and unbanned users and the number of bans since IJBM II's creation.

    On the topic of captainbrass' questions, I am not sure I agree that IJBM II is in much of a decline. I feel like it never really was super active to begin with so even if there has been a slight drop off in activity, I would not classify it as a decline. Still, I definitely agree with Forzare, delta534, Abyss_Worm, and all the other people who mentioned the benefits of having some new users/perspectives around here.

    I wish I could help out with that last part, but TV Tropes is really the only other forum where I am somewhat active and I not sure it would be worth it to advertise there.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-12-19 12:27:49
    In regards to TVTropes, I really don't mind that a bunch of people there don't like us. That's okay. What I do mind is that people have used this site as an emotional dumping ground with little to no care for their account.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    I'll try putting a link in my signature on the CAD boards
  • ElbeemElbeem
    @Inuh: Why approve someone in the first place, if you're going to be looking for an excuse to ban them pretty much right away?

    I'm not trying to argue that his ban was unjustified, but it just seemed like an odd member approval given that he was being warned right from the start that the mods were just waiting for him to slip up.
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