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"The media".
Is is even possible to come up with a more vauge term than this?
I'm getting annoyed how some* Republicans just throw this term out there and don't ever expand on it.
*: Because I bet someone is going to yell about "making blanket statments
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My dad calls MSNBC a "radical-left wing hellhole".
When a left-wing politician says "The media", they mean "the lords of property and their hired toadies and bum-lickers" (actually George Orwell more or less used those words).
When a right-wing politician says "The media", they mean "the godless liberal clique with its whining cheerleaders and prating fellow-travellers."
And yet it's the same industry.
Yeah. You see this being done a lot in the media.
This might sound weird, but I think you are actually quite right about that. I have definitely seen members of media outlets criticize other outlets for bias within a media broadcast or written article. Sometimes, they even criticize so-called "media watchdogs" who were criticizing the media outlet which now is critiquing the watchdog's critique of that outlet. After a while, the whole thing just starts confusing me.
captainbrass,
Yep, while I have definitely heard people complain about conservative criticisms of the "mainstream media," they are not uncommonly accompanied by complaints about how the media is too "corporatist."
It also bugs me when some people act like the American public is full of complete fools who are easily manipulated to vote for a certain candidate (whether it be Pres. Obama, Pres. Bush, or whomever). First, I think it is quite inaccurate (if not outright offensive and elitist) to say that most people are idiots.
Second, from what I hear, one actually has to pay decently close attention to change one's views based on media broadcasts (i.e. you need to consume media to be affected by it). Yet, at the same time, the people who pay the closest attention to news tend to already have their minds made up, are unlikely to change them, and often watch media outlets that reinforce their views. While the people in the middle may be affected by news outlets on political issues, I do not believe that kind of thing tends to decide elections.
"It also bugs me when some people act like the American public is full of complete fools who are easily manipulated to vote for a certain candidate (whether it be Pres. Obama, Pres. Bush, or whomever). First, I think it is quite inaccurate (if not outright offensive and elitist) to say that most people are idiots."
This may be anecdotal, but I tend to notice a lot more Americans on the 'Net acting like the world revolves around the USA than any other country's citizens. Of course, there are a hell of a lot more Americans on the 'Net, but I do tend to believe US citizens tend to be easily indoctrinated into their national myths (we saved Europe's ass in World War II, we are the policemen of the world, etc.). And of course there's the fact that they are the most influential country in the world culture-wise, which means every other country at least knows the US exists.
I actually was not even thinking about foreign opinion of Americans when I typed that. I mainly mentioned the idea that some people believed the majority of Americans were fools because I have heard Americans say as much in order to explain how a candidate they did not like was elected president.
This may be anecdotal, but I tend to notice a lot more Americans on the 'Net acting like the world revolves around the USA than any other country's citizens.
I have had a similar experience and I think you are right about American influence in world culture helping to explain that phenomenon. Still, I feel like it can be pretty annoying when people just assume that you are American online for the same reasons that most assumptions are problematic (i.e. they generalize and do not respect individuality).
From personal experience I wouldn't say the general opinion here is that you are all idiots, however your politics seem very focused on the showmanship and PR of the two parties rather than the issues, as you say support x because he is a republican/democrat rather than the issues raised.
I wonder if that aspect of the American political system is due to the fact that it is very candidate-centered rather than party-centered like other, parliamentary systems.
that. I have definitely seen members of media outlets criticize other
outlets for bias within a media broadcast or written article. Sometimes,
they even criticize so-called "media watchdogs" who were criticizing
the media outlet which now is critiquing the watchdog's critique of that
outlet. After a while, the whole thing just starts confusing me.
Yo dawg, I heard you like media criticism, so I had the media critique the critique of media and then I got some internet forumites to post about it so you can be confused by criticism of criticism of criticism.
> It also bugs me when some people act like the American public is full of
complete fools who are easily manipulated to vote for a certain
candidate (whether it be Pres. Obama, Pres. Bush, or whomever). First, I
think it is quite inaccurate (if not outright offensive and elitist) to
say that most people are idiots.
Yeah, a lot of people who might or will bother to vote have made up their minds, actually, more so if the political scene is highly polarized.
> I have had a similar experience and I think you are right about American
influence in world culture helping to explain that phenomenon. Still, I
feel like it can be pretty annoying when people just assume that you
are American online for the same reasons that most assumptions are
problematic (i.e. they generalize and do not respect individuality).
Well, if you're online and actually posting on a message board, chances are you're a young adult (late teens or early twenties) male living in the United States and in the middle-class or higher.