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/a/ likes Haruhi
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Blah blah, nowhere near a hivemind blah blah there are plenty of other reasons /a/ is shit blah.
As for the initial topic, I'm just going to repeat what I said in the other thread: there's got to be better ways to spend your weekend than bitching about TV Tropes.
About the TVT administration and moderators: Suppressing discussion about the site, its reputation, its status, its mission, etc.. I don't mean to make accusations about their being Orwellian--a damn lot of other people have already done that, and I don't believe it myself anyway. I understand that the most likely reason for the mods' not wanting to deal with these discussions is because they frequently spout shitstorms filled with all manner of accusations, inanity, image macros, ragequit threats, and meaningful content...and I can also see how these issue would fall under "things not directly related to the mission of the site". However, there is definitely meaningful content in there, which I believe would improve both the site's tangential and core aspects, and it would be really helpful if the mods and admins could project the image that you are open to serious, substantial discussions about these topics.
About those in the TVT userbase who want to improve things: Learn how to be convincing. If you have something useful to say, present the right message to the right people in the right contexts. For example, do not cite Something Awful. You know that SA is not criticizing for constructiveness; you know that they're doing it for lulz; you know that the TVT leadership does not want to hear about what they have to say. If you have such a meaningful point, you should just say it and explain it yourself, without referencing SA. Try to frame your message in the context of the mission of the site. Also, don't bring up these concerns where they can be confused with other issues (such as importing drama and such). I know that the TVT mods are difficult to deal with, but that doesn't mean it's not possible to talk to them, as long as you do so productively, not whining. And last but not least, know when to stop--that is, when someone doesn't want to be bugged by you about a certain issue anymore.
About other people in the TVT userbase: Please, when these topics are discussed, stop posting image macros, stop posting response videos, stop threatining to ragequit, stop threatening violence against the mods/admins, and generally if it's not something that's contributing productively to the discussion (i.e. helping us find solutions to problems, not just expressing emotion because you feel oh-so-angry/disappointed/whatever), please shut the fuck up.
About the SA commenters: I know that some of you genuinely want to improve TVT, some of you just want to pick on it, and some of you don't care either way and are in it for the lulz. Well, for those of you who want to improve the site, here's your chance to separate the wheat from the chaff. Go somewhere that's not SA, get together with non-SA TVT people who want to improve the site, and come up with a set of realistic goals for improving TVT and practical solutions to achieve them. Now if the admins are going to say "Well it's just a bunch of stupid shit coming from SA again", you can rightly say that what you have is not stupid shit coming from SA again.
To everyone who wants to improve the site: I know it's not possible to raise these issues directly at this time. The only advice I can really give is this: Make sure you have a plan for what you're going to say and how you're going to say it, and make sure that you stay humble, level-headed, open-minded, and amiable when you talk to a mod or admin about these issues.
I think you made good point in your original post about being resentful. I can understand not liking a site, feeling like one does not fit in, and even believing that some of the attitudes there are quite juvenile. However, I still believe that when you leave that site it is impolite to more or less burn bridges and talk about how awful everyone there is. A big reason why I believe that is simply because I think most of the time people leaving sites is more of a question of different preferences than anything else.
Plus, that whole reaction sounds way too much like silly, pointless middle school gossiping to me. I really disliking picking on individual people, let alone whole communities, especially since such treatment is using only based on the very limited experience one has had with those people or groups.
Sadly, I can barely claim to be better, as it didn't leave me unaffected. I lost quite some respect for nearly everyone involved in that mess. Also, I'm not entirely convinced that anne's ban was really just a result of Fast Eddie being too hasty. Sure, Bobby may vouch for that, but he isn't FE and can't know for sure (and if I were in Bobby's place, even if I were convince that FE was just throwing a tantrum, I had done the same, just to get the mess under control).
Anyway, since then I mostly stay away from TV Tropes and IJBM, although I will probably still visit TV Tropes at training (it's a pretty good time killer). The good thing about it is that I visit another site, I neglected, more and actually watch anime that I neglected too (although it's only Gurren Lagann, so far).