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We'll put it this way: I have many, many gripes about 40k, whilst my only real problem with Fantasy right now is that Nagash hasn't been playable for the last few editions, and even then it's not that big a problem to me, just something I'm a little sad at..
^Blood Bowl has always been fuckawesome! Everything about it, from the setting, to the actual game itself is so, so much fun! It's easily one of my favourite GW games, which is probably why they don't support it very much. Like all the other side-games that I loved (Gorkamorka, we hardly knew ye...).
^You know, I really really hate the Space Marine archetype. 40K helping to codify it might be part of what sets me off about it.
Also, how they release a bland Space Marine video game so creatively bankrupt they couldn't think of a name beyond Space Marine among hundreds of space marine games and this one gets a free ride because it's based on a stupid setting and people want to fight FOR THE EMPEROR!
Though a futile venture, I'd recommend playing the video games (Dawn of War I-II and Space Marine) they're solid, fun, games that shy away from the dumber parts of the setting.
Warhammer just doesn't have enough moeblobs.
Odd because I got into Warhammer partly because of this.
and I'd play Superman 64 before I play Gears of War 3.
Play one of the side-games! You don't need to buy nearly as many models, and they're mostly really, really fun too! Even if GW doesn't give them any fucking support. >.>
Space Marine is a pretty good game. Brilliant atmosphere, and the best depiction of the 40k setting to date.
^ Dark Heresy is a good idea, which is the P&P RPG equivalent. Alternatively, Rogue Trader, which the same setting and mostly the same rules under a different concept.
This sounds like an unpleasant time indeed.
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We could do this all day.
You know, if what Alex said about it starting out as a parody is true, it's actually very telling. It's like with the reverse of zombie movies, the first few being tense and frightening and then getting more and more self-aware over time until zombies themselves are just huge punch line. I can only imagine it going the other way being a billion times worse.
I still don't buy it starting out as parody, but it's an interesting thought experiment.
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@Ian: If you're willing to spend a little bit of money on them, I'd really recommend checking some of them out, but I understand if you'd rather not. Those things are expensive, after all. I've heard good things about the Blood Bowl videogame though, so I might have to check it out at some point.
I'm telling ya, it did. The original 40k published game was called Space Hulk, which was an Aliens ripoff with power armour. It proved a successful formula, so GW continued satirising other sci-fi concepts while taking them to 11 and injecting elements of Warhammer Fantasy into the setting. This became the game Rogue Trader, which eventually became Warhammer 40,000 2nd Edition.
Malk, I totally understand that your online friend has turned the setting sour for you, but dismissing it out of hand because of one horrible fan is kinda like dismissing schnitzel because someone told you it was Nazi food. There's a wealth of fun to be gained from the setting, and you don't even have to play the game. I swear half of /tg/'s humour is from 40k fans who don't give half a shit about actually playing it.
^I've seen a lot of humor on /tg/ about it that I actually found funny, but I don't really if jokes and memes that amused me were something to get me into a franchise, I'd have watched Kanon a billion times already for the Uguu.
And it's less like a horrible fans, and more like the horrible fans plural. I made the mistake once of saying "Call it what you like, but they're still toys and you're still playing with them." and oh man did that create a shitstorm.
Admittedly Vampire has some terribad fans too...
But yeah, I can see where you're getting at. I myself am really, really bad at the model making and painting aspect, even if I do think the models are usually pretty cool if done up right (which I can't do >.<).
As for the parody thing... 1st edition Noise Marines had electric guitars and fought with the power of rock. They were Slaanesh worshippers too, so they were literally sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. Then they decided that "nope, can't have anything silly!" and gave them generic sonic weapons, which led to them not really fitting into the concept at all. They're really just an artifact of the old, silly days now, which is sad.
I mean, sure, you get powergamers, but you get them in any game. Plenty of setting-knowledgable players take inefficient selections just because those selections express the idea they have for their force.
And there's nothing wrong with a numbers-heavy game if that's your thing. It's just not mine.
No. You don't. I love 40k and I have never, and probably will never, touch the table top.
^I grasped D&D on my first skim. Looking through a warhammer book made my head light.
...And try and seek out an older version of the setting info too. It's much more enjoyable that way. >.>
^^Having watched other people play I know there's more to it than that.