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"Author's intention was X, therefore, if you akowledge this, the scene/plot point is valid"

MillerCrossMillerCross
edited 2011-09-19 18:38:10 in Media
You can change. You can.
This is a big problem I see whenever someone criticizes something. 

not much I can add except "discuss"

Comments

  • AHRAHR
    I think it helps to know.

    Because of CompletelyMissingThePoint and all that.

    But it's not ALWAYS valid.

    Case by case and all that.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I akowlege nothing.
  • DonZabuDonZabu
    edited 2011-09-19 18:25:39
    Examples?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    the problem is that people seem to bring it up when you criticize this aspect.

    the title should have been more along the lines of "X was the author's intention. Therefore X is good"
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-09-19 18:28:02
    ^^Foot washing scene from Death Note, meant to be biblical, lots of people thought it was blatant yaoi fanbase pandering.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    But the point is that even if it's meant to be biblical, it doesn't mean that it can't be misconstrued as, you know, pandering.

    And even then, there's still the matter of "Why use such blatantly useless and unsubtle symbolism?"

    (Adding to your post, mind)
  • AHRAHR
    Yeah, it goes both ways. But nothing is ever gonna be objective.

    I mean, some people see Harry Potter as a book of pure hatred, because of the magic. All of the "but JKR didn't mean it that way!" is gonna convince them otherwise.

    I'm not saying that all people who disagree are in the same category, just that there will always be more than one way to read something, no matter how concretely written.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    > some people see Harry Potter as a book of pure hatred, because of the magic

    not sure if i follow

    I honestly think that the problem is that people really need to back up their arguments and "The author's intention" is hardly a valid argument. Same way I could say I want to lick a lolipop and be miscontrued as innuendo. It's accidental, and the author didn't mean that, but it still comes off as that. And if I said that I didn't mean that, it doesn't mean that the misunderstanding magically goes away. Sure you now know, but any person who reads it doesn't and would follow suit in misunderstanding what I said.

    And above all, stories are about communication, so if you fail in communicating your point, then I'd say that's definetly a strike against, rather than in favour.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-09-19 18:38:34

    Why IJAM?

    As for the topic, occasionally, this may be a passable counterpoint against people trying to find discrimination in everything or such, but generally, if the author's intention is not clear within whatever the audience sees, the author didn't do a good job of communicating it.

    UPDATE: Whoops, beaten to the punch.

  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    The problem is, Juan, people will interpret any thing in your story in every single possible way. Including ones that make no sense whatsoever.

    What do you do then?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-19 18:39:37
    You can change. You can.
    I was inspired to do the topic because of the heavy rain thread and something I said there reminded me of it.

    ^Any and all interpretations are valid if you have an actual argument behind them. 
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    "Any and all interpretations are valid if you have an actual argument behind them. "

    What about the ones whose arguments are still uttery ridiculous and require Insane Troll Logic to comprehend?
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    That would invalidate the "actual argument" part, I think.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    People hate media, and don't care as long as their opinion needs to be expressed.


  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    If an argument doesn't make sense, then it's not a valid argument, don't you think?
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    So where do we draw the line from "incomprehensible bullshit" to "actual argument"?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Evidence, back up, logic, etc etc. It's easy, really

    Like, for example, this is a logically sound argument about media:

    The Death Eaters in Harry Potter are supposed to be a Nazi paralallel. They persecute a group that is often looked down upon in normal society (Jews, Mudbloods)

    It's a valid comparison and it makes sense.

    This is a stupid argument in media

    Hermione is a closet lesbian. We know this because she looks at Ginny sometimes.
  • AHRAHR
    JC: What I meant was, since some people see magic as automatically evil, for religious reasons, they see Harry Potter as a hateful book. 

    They have evidence, which is mostly based on faith, but yeah.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
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