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When you 'should' like things but don't.

edited 2011-08-29 23:08:36 in Media
MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
Only sort of a snowclone. I've been watching Samurai Champloo which has a lot of things that mean I should love it: a great soundtrack, fluid animation, great fight scenes, really funny... but for some reason I can't get into it. Does this happen to anyone else?
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  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Not for Samurai Champloo. It's awesome.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    It really is, but for some reason my heart's not in it.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    How far are you in?
  • You can change. You can.
    Hurm, I think I'll go and say that Cowboy Bebop has everything I love in a show. But the fact is that watching it seems like too much of a burden for me. 
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    ^^just finished the two-parter with the blind assassin.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    So towards the end then. Aw shucks.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Again I do think it's a really good show but it doesn't engage me like it should.
  • edited 2011-08-29 23:22:00
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Well it does have an extremely fragmented plot. It thrives on the strength of its characters more than anything. I guess it doesn't help that a fair few episodes are "Japanese folklore stories with the main characters inserted in".
  • edited 2011-08-29 23:24:33
    Loser
    Malkavian,
    I've been watching Samurai Champloo which has a lot of things that mean I should love it: a great soundtrack, fluid animation, great fight scenes, really funny...

    I could definitely be wrong about this, but I think the issue may just be that the sum of its parts are a lot different for you than them taken individually. I doubt you are the only one who has had an experience like that either. To approach this from the other angle, there are plenty of shows that some people like which they admit have many flaws (i.e. their individual parts are not so great) because as a whole they find the shows enjoyable.

    It seems to me like you like the show but rather than being a ten, absolutely excellent work, you think it is more of an eight, seven, or six. That does not sound so bad to me. I think it is actually probably good for every series to not absolutely engage you. That way, the shows you do like a lot stand out.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I have to say the show feels weaker to me when it's being dark and serious.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    I think it does dark and serious better than most anime, though. Plenty of anime falls into the trap of expecting audience sympathy, but I feel that Champloo earns it. I was sad it ended because now there would be no more Fuu, Mugen and Jin.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Eh, When it was serious I got kind of bored, whereas the ganja and tagging episodes really felt like the character interaction shined then.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Well, I'd like to say some more things, but you haven't finished the series. :<
  • I felt the same way about that show too Malky. It's the weirdest thing.
  • Has friends besides tanks now
    IJBM: This series looks pretty cool, but I just spoiled myself a good deal watching some fight clips from it.
  • Doctor Who.
  • You can change. You can.
    Did ya try the eps I recommended?
  • Not yet. What season are they? I might try them on interNetflix.
  • You can change. You can.
    Ugh, sorry, I missed this thread for some reason

    The Eleventh Hour is the first episode from Season 5.
  • When something doesn't appeal to you, what can you do?

    Researh the thing till you understand it to the very core?

    Research the demographic that it appeals to, to better understand the context of it?

    You could do all that and more, but I've already shared my views on this in the other thread.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Researh the thing till you understand it to the very core?

    Research the demographic that it appeals to, to better understand the context of it?


    No offense but if you don't like something, resorting to pretentious lit crit isn't gonna change your mind.

    Or worse, it will, and you'll end up spending hundreds on crappy comic books because you've convinced yourself that they're some sort of deep art you simply don't have the brainpower to "get," so you keep hammering away at them thinking that if you do, you'll get some sort of enlightenment. But at the end the only "enlightenment" you get is that you payed money because you foolishly believed in the pseudo-religion of the nerds and there's really nothing to it, just a bunch of people looking too deeply into things. I guess the one benefit to that is that you forever learn that lit analysis really is pretentious, but it sure is an expensive lesson.

    The above is not a true story in any way, shape or form.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    She's not being serious.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Oh. Well, ummm *puts armor over his ass* neither am I! ciao! *dashes off*
  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic

    I've actually been told I was in denial for not liking it.

  • Kichigai birthday!!
    >My sister + Vorpy: You should watch Elfen Lied,it's great!
    >Rest of the Internet: Don't watch Elfen Lied, is shit!
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Well, to be honest, Elfen Lied wouldn't be anything I would encourage anyone to watch, nor would I lie about it's quality. I think it's good, but I wouldn't want any new fans to watch it. No I am not trying to be a hipster or anything, I just don't think that anyone would benefit from watching it now that the anime is gorey cartoons craze is over.

    When talking about the anime, I can safely say that the "apparent moe" on there does not bug me, because it's not a complete core of the entire show that distracts you (that and when I first watched it I had no idea that the whole moe thing existed at all) so it was easier to like the cuteness than to hate it for being a "pandering device". I still don't even think it's a pandering device. Even Nyuu being reduced to the status of a pet, but still having breasts and a willing to get naked is more funny and cute to me than fanservicey, since every advance is usually halted by the other housemates disapproving of Kouta's advances, on purpose or not. It emulates the nurturing in me when she is trying to develop out of this....."mentally retarded" mindset she is in.

    Then there was the whole fanservice aspect that everyone has different angles about. The fanservice and nudity was ultimately one of the main things that probably kept the show from ever getting an american manga release (that and everything that the unknown man does), and concerning that man, I am glad he was never inserted into the anime, or else I would have outright hated it and refused to give it a chance because the amount of un-needed fucked up things he did when he first arrived that was ultimately more than I could stomache. Nyuu peeing herself seemed more like a pet thing than a piss fetishist thing, but Nozumi (manga character) in a diaper and constantly wetting herself however, gave that vibe. The nudity in the opening didn't feel fanservicey. Nyuu running around naked in general didn't weird me out at all and was easy to stomach.

    When it came to the gore, on the first watch it is very spine-chilling, and very amazing to watch. Later on though, it becomes a given once they introduce the other Diclonius and it doesn't have as much of an impact due to the lack of creativity on the diclonius part.

    The morality of the show is very complicated as well, mostly because the show is based on saying that the humans are justified in killing the diclonius because they are genetically driven to murder humans, and many of them will fall to that if they are the least bit disturbed by them. Not all of them are capable of this, and most do not actively murder humans, which usually leads to horrible and sexual things happening to them due to their lack of ferocity. The laboratory of course was filled with sick bastards, which made them dying easier to see, but then the rapey sexual overtones that they portrayed felt greatly exaggerated for what they were.

    The children and the puppy incident others said was impossible to comprehend because they felt too cartoonishly evil, but I understood it well because I grew up around cartoonishly evil kids just like that who do fucked up things like drowning kittens in water and throwing them off of overpasses on highways just because it's funny, so it felt more believable.

    Lucy went from (forgive me for using this word) Yandere and Hopelessly devoted lover a lot, which was nice but complicating, because in the anime Kouta ultimately forgives her and takes her over his long dead family, because the Nyuu side comforted him enough to break him from his grief momentarily. Her murderous streak felt very selfish and obsessive, and she acknowledges this, and tries as hard as she can to get him to forgive her for all that she's done.

    In other words, watching it at face value while knowing what you are going to watch ruins the entire feel of the show, and very few people can connect with it at all, so it's not a very easy show to "like", but a very easy show to hate.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    ....and I wish I had a pet human.
  • A pet human, that's horrible!
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Hey there we go thread is back alive.

    The reason is that after witnessing the difficulties with raising real children, and taking care of mentally + physically retarded people, I have realized that having a "pet human" would suit my nurturing needs more realistically than trying to take care of the other two I brought up, that I was never able to do with real pets.

    Kind of like a kitten, or a parrot, where I teach them things, feed them, and they stay home and do things. Essentially, a baby who is a full adult and doesn't baww their head off at every moment and isn't completely helpless. They would still walk around and understand general human communication, they just would not be eloquent or very linguistic about it, going with A vs. B choices rather than getting involved with philosophies and religions, or having very rigorous tastes and be subjected to having very annoying opinions and views on things.
  • You realize your odds of finding a human being like that right?
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