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How religion seems to work involving the afterlife

IcalasariIcalasari
edited 2011-08-08 14:03:08 in General
No rainbow star
I'll use Christianity as it's the example I'm most familiar with So a perfectly good person goes to hell if they are unlucky enough to have never heard of Jesus? How is that fair? Isn't their inherent goodness enough? Heck, from what I've taken from Religion class back in high school, Jesus would be offended by that idea
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  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    DO NOT WANT
  • GhilzGhilz
    Yes, Church Dogma is stupid.What's new.
  • NyarlyNyarly
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    I'm not exactly familiar with it, but I think Judaism works much fairer. Good people come in heaven, even if they wouldn't even think of becoming Jewish.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    -watches thread closely-
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    you know my mom had a debate with a girl she worked with on this very issue.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    If it's not too offensive to say, when I was... a more "vocal" atheist (Anti-theist, though really, I can cut the semantics and call myself an idiot)

    I liked to bring it up that I found it funny that god didn't just flood the world(hypothetically speaking of course) with Jesus clones... I.e. Have a jesus born for every culture and majorly populated area at the same time.

    >_>

    I was a bit of idiot(a lot really)

    but I thought the idea was kind of funny, so I decided to share it,
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    it actually makes a lot of sense
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Awww, Clocky. That's so adorable. Sorta.

    Anyway, I agree with the idea that the afterlife being based on your belief rather than your morality and whether you led a good life and the like is pretty bad. However, I have to say that many a priest who I have talked to has told me that the church believes that Heaven is for the just and fair.

    Just putting that out there.
  • BeholderessBeholderess
    As far as this one understands, according to Christianity, there are no such things as perfectly good people. All are bad enough to deserve hell.

    Which does not make it any better, in this one's opinion, but  still, this one wanted to clear the  misconception.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    ^ However, it seems repentance - Not necessarily to Jesus - shows that you at least try, which seems more llike what New Testament God wants. That you are making an effort and are trying your best to be a good person

    And besides, it seems out of character for Jesus to have meant that you must believe 100% in him to get to heaven
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I don't know about you, but I know that a large pile of Christian religious education materials from my childhood have told me that the only way to heaven is through Jesus.

    There's also the whole justification by faith vs. justification by works debate, that's been raging since 469 years before I was born.
  • BeholderessBeholderess
    To be honest, repentance and being "saved" by faith absolutely puzzles this  one. If all people are really bad enough to deserve  only hell by their  own merit, if it is indeed just - then why would semi-decent people want  a way out of it?

    Seriously, if this one thought her punishment is just, she wouldn't try to avoid it.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    I opted out of the recruitment stories long ago. I don't believe that they will go to hell, and they won't because I declare so.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    Jesus wants YOU! ~Picture of Jesus pointing his finger at you~
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Well in general trying to rally a ton of people into your religion by stating that honest people who don't worship your god will burn in hell, and that not worshipping said god will earn you a place to hell, feels very synthetic and vindictive for my taste, so I ignore that part. I let people be good regardless, after all, if there is a hell I am going to it for all of the punishments I've earned over my life and being an eternal sinner (after all, don't forget the Catholic internet sins that were made in 2001), so if I go to hell for all eternity, I'll just deal with it, like the others.

    After all, the way things God (allegedly) set up for all of his creations is kind of fucked up, and if he was not murdered by other deitic beings, most likely he will be soon.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    A lot of people try to weasel their way out of punishments, consciously or subconsciously.
  • BeholderessBeholderess
    Oh, they do, but why  present  it as good and ethical thing, hmm?
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    @Vorpy:

    You need sufficient bait to reel in people for your religion after all.

  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    First, obligatory Scientology reference.

    Second, that's why Judaism is the best Abrahamic religion, trufax
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Oh, they do, but why  present  it as good and ethical thing, hmm?

    Because I don't care. I still don't attempt to recruit anybody with that method, and ignore all claims of people going to hell for frivolous reasons.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    So, I remember seeing this thing about how the "Deadly Sin" of Sloth might've been just a form of Depression in the younger world.

    I thought that was pretty neat.
  • BeholderessBeholderess
    Vorpy

    Errr, if you do not think that people are going to hell for lack of belief, then obviously it was not directed at you
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Heck, from what I've taken from Religion class back in high school, Jesus would be offended by that idea


    Jesus would be offended by the majority of evangelical Christianity, to be honest. 
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    I don't know Jesus (or Andesion depending on the book), so I can't speak for him. Most likely though, I would want him to be offended by said actions.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    If you follow the golden rule, do your best to be a good person and feel sorry when you're bad, you're okay in the J-man's book.

    There are people out there who think ascension is based on dogma, not behavior. They're assholes and you shouldn't listen to them.

  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Even if there is no heaven, not being a dick to everyone is pretty cool.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Even if there is no heaven, not being a dick to everyone is pretty cool.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^^^^^^^^^ no it's bahai
  • BeholderessBeholderess
    There are people out there who think ascension is based on dogma, not
    behavior. They're assholes and you shouldn't listen to them.

    As far as  this one is aware, faith being  much more important than works, and no amount of decent behaviour being sufficient for salvation, is an "official" position. 

    So it's not something that can be easily ignored.
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    I hope the afterlife is fun though. I would hate it if it was as boring as the Bible says. Personally, I'm hoping for Valhalla.
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