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I mean, I might recommend Bebop to a Firefly fan because they're both good shows in that fall into the guys-in-space-doing-stuff "genre", and they certainly have more in common with each other than either does with Star Trek, but they're done in very different styles.
Well, yes, broad themes are similer between all three series. But the girl in a box thing really sticks out from Outlaw Star. They are different styles, but thematic and character wise, they are very similar and if you strip away the style, they are more alike than you think.
Also, apparently bounty hunters = wild west.
Alright then.... Firefly and Outlaw Star Go!
River Tam and Malefina, the girls in the box. Both had major important to the series villains. River was a psychic that was a living weapon and felt very damaging information. Malefina was the organic component to the navagation system. While their purpose is different, a very things about them are alike. Both have lost memories, must be taken alive, need to be protected by member of their crew, and are viewed as pure and innocent (one way or another).
Malcolm Reynolds and Gene Starwind, The Big Damn Hero. Both are ship captains that live on the fringe of society and prefer it that way. Both are good with guns, but are far from the strongest and smartest in their crews. Nevertheless, they are the only ones that can bring their crews together. While they are willing to take on illegal jobs should the need arise, they have their own moral code and a line they won't cross. However hardass or jerkass they may be, deep down they are good men at heart. Sure Mal has more history and background then Gene and their personalities are very different. Even so, they are a lot alike.
Senerity and Outlaw Star, the crews. Both crews are very different. Senerity's crew is an ensemble cast while Outlaw Star's crew is small but both crews are filled with diverse characters. Also, it's worth noting that both crews are constantly struggling with money. Lets start with the characters though. Genius engineer/mechanic: Jim and Kaylee. The muscle: Aisha and Jayne. The Femme Lancer: Suzuka and Zoe. Senerity does have more crewmates that don't exactly match up with Outlaw Star's crew though. Also, both crews are on the run from the series villain. However, the villains don't really care about what happens to the ship, Senerity, while that not being the case for the Outlaw Star.
This is pretty much were the similarities end though. Both series go into different directions as far as storyline and character development go. The setting for each are very different as well, since Firefly has no aliens at all. Despite that, this is enough to raise an eyebrow. Not saying Whedon ripped off Outlaw Star (Or Cowboy Bebop) at all, but there are likenesses.
^Alright then. Go on.
Save Draft is a good thing to use just in case.
It would be really nice if everyone actually justified their preferences and dispreferences like that.
Unfortunately, not everyone does.
@Deboss > If you've tried a genre/medium and found that it employs various tropes that you don't like, it makes sense to dismiss it. There's no point in consuming media that you don't enjoy, since that's medias only purpose. It only serves to create a form of bias that leads toward a higher rate of enjoying works you pick out.
This.
This is why I remind myself to not bother when someone says they dislike animé or some other broad category of media. Sure, go ahead, nothing that I or anyone else more familiar with said category can really change that. People saying that all [X] sucks usually do so as informal or throwaway judgement calls. It almost never means that they're completely unwilling to open their mind to the category in question; it just means that they haven't enjoyed what they've seen, and they're not willing to take the time to make a really nice-sounding press-release-quality statement about it.
No amount of citing different animé series or dogpiling reasoning is going to convince an animé hater to watch some animé, ever. Well, almost. If they're willing to actually watch some animé, that means that they already had an open mind but wanted to be very selective for whatever reason--in which case it's basically the same as someone starting a thread called "I normally hate animé but can you recommend me something for my tastes?".
But if they don't feel like it, you can talk all day long and you almost certainly won't change a thing.
@TheMightyAnonym > I dismissed anime for a while; then Inuyasha happened. Darn gateway drug.
@Vorpy > Me too
@Forzare > Me too, only replace "Iyunasha" with "Azumanga Daioh."
@INUH > Me too, only replace "Inuyasha" with "Eden of the East."
@DonZabu > Me too, only replace "Inuyasha" with "Pokemon".
I watched Voltron and Pokémon as a kid, and I definitely knew I enjoyed the animesque art style.
However, the animé fandom was never my cup of tea, for three reasons:
* I always felt that they went overboard with their way of very visibly liking stuff.
* Their fawning over all things Japanese annoyed me. I'm not a Japanophile at all, and on top of that there's my baby-boomer parents who grew up in post-WWII China, which was *ahem* very conscious of Japan's record of military/wartime jackassery. (Not to mention that some otakus don't even seem to realize that Japanese culture is more than just cartoons, comic books, landmarks, famous foods, traditional clothing, and honorifics.)
* I never quite got into whatever the fandom was into at the time. Back around 2000, I had Voltron and Pokémon on the mind while everyone at my high school's "Japanese Cultural Society" (which, as stated above, is missing the word "Pop" before "Cultural") was talking about Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, and the like. This still kinda applies, since people are talking Haruhi and Durarara while I'm talking Kiddy Grade and Noir.
My recent spate of watching animé (albeit very, very slowly) was launched by someone's promise that Evangelion would not be a long string of slapstick, face faults, and Japanese cultural references that I would never understand (or bother to try to understand). Since then, I've also mainly stuck to "serious" series, avoiding comedy and most slice-of-life. I've also, apparently, shown a preference for series that are not very rooted in Japanese cultural history, for what it's worth.
@MoeDantes > Besides, we all know the best anime ever made is either Ranma 1/2 or Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie anyway.
No, it's Jinki: Extend.
Outlaw Star: That one bitch. For the whole series.
Firefly: River. For 30 seconds
The Matrix: Neo, when having his muscles grown after just waking up, also in the human-farm pods (Also for 30 seconds)
...Who also needs protection!
Outlaw Star: Naked tube chick.
Firefly: River, if you get passed the fact that she's the deadliest fucking person of the
crewNakama.The Matrix: Neo. Can't let nothin' happen the him, cuz he's the savior of humanity and all. Also the deadliest fucking person of the crew.
All are viewed as pure/innocent, since they are new to their respective surroundings, and are at the least all naive.
Crew Similarities:
Well, judging by your post, "very different" passes for similarities these days, so fuck this.
But if you insist, all of the main protagonists are Big Damn Heroes (Starwing dude/ Mal/ Neo) who are good with guns, but not the smartest guys in their group, but they're the only ones who can bring them together. They all have mechanics (The one dude/ Kaylee/ Tank, Dozer, Link), big guys (other dude/ Jayne/ Morpheus) and chick lancers (not-jar-bitch/ Zoe/ Trinity).
I'm on a boat!
Outlaw Star: The ship was called the Outlaw Star, right? Either way, they're on a ship that flies.
Firefly: Serenity is also a ship that flies, until it loses a nothing-part that is only such until you don't have one.
The Matrix: The Neb is a ship that flies as well... for the first two movies.
Used future?
Outlaw Star: They run into money problems and have to rough it.
Firefly: Always have money problems.
The Matrix: For all the glamor of the Matrix, the real world has gone to shit.
Bladerunner: Fuck it, why not?
Villains!
Outlaw Star: We gotta get that tube chick!
Firefly: We gotta get that psychic chick!
Neo: We gotta get that 'The One' guy!
I can probably hop on one of my lurker accounts, but I'm not really feelin it.
^Ah, well you learn something everyday.
lolpwnt
Eddie google bounced you for that webcomic scrye?
I think it's closer to meaning something like "colleague", but still nothing like the trope.
None of those really indicate what the trope describes though, so... yeah.