the number of nonstandard gendered/sexuality people here and on tvtropes

snowbull

Where the hell are all of you people coming from? Are there this many people like this everywhere, and they only seem to come out on tvtropes? I didn't even know about half of the gender/sexuality orientations that exist before I went on tvtropes. What gives?

Trash_Vortex

How many real people do you know?

snowbull

Are we talking acquaintances or soul buddies?

And I was also referring to online. I've never heard people talk about being agendered or gender fluid or things like that on other forums. Being gay/bi, yeah, but none of this less well known stuff.

Trash_Vortex

Well, mostly I think people are just more open on the internet, but I meet a lot of people like that real life too. It doesn't seem to be too imbalanced.

DonZabu

I first realized this during a certain fiasco that shall go unnamed. I was quite freaked out at the time.

Beholderess

This one is pretty sure that the reason is twofold
1) These fora tend to attract rather unusual people in general
2) These fora are also quite accepting and are not prone to playing Moral Guardian. So people do not feel such a great need to conform

Trash_Vortex

Well, the places I live are fairly liberal so I guess that could be why. I don't think a lot of people with nonstandard sexualities are "unusual" or "immoral" though.

Beholderess

I've never implied that they are. But they sometimes get treated like that in less liberal places

Tnophelia

It's because TV Tropes forum likes different and weird things.

And because bandwagon.

Anonus

I've always thought it was interesting too. Perhaps the place is considered something of a safe haven for outcasts/unusual people (on almost every other site I've been on, for instance, transgendered people are either Acceptable Targets or non-existent).

Tnophelia

That's the way wikis are. They host plenty of things that are different, which means the userbase SHOULD be tolerant or accepting of it.

Anonus

Well the wiki doesn't seem to have many people who are as outspoken about their gender/sexuality, like the forums do.

Central Avenue

And because bandwagon.

As stupid as "bandwagon" sounds when applied to gender/sexuality, I have to say that being able to interact with a number of people who are open about their gender variance (for lack of a better word) has helped me open up about my own gender issues.

It's not quite the same thing as a bandwagon, but it's definitely a factor, for me at least.

Noimporta

Well the wiki doesn't seem to have many people who are as outspoken about their gender/sexuality, like the forums do.

That's because the wiki is a wiki, not a community oriented forum. The moment tropers in the wiki were encouraged to talk about that kind if stuff...

... you get Troper Tales.

Gelzo

It kind of bothers me that it comes up so often in conversations. Does it really matter that we know this stuff about each other? Once we do, what is there to discuss about it?

Though I guess conversations about dealing with bigotry and whatnot are fine.

DonZabu

"And because bandwagon."

I wouldn't really call non-specific gender roles something people would bandwagon about.

^ We're talking about TV Tropes here. Asking whether or not anything matters in regards to TV Tropes is completely futile.

Gelzo

I can't say I understand how so many people would be interested in talking about fetishes either. I just think of that as something you have to sort out for yourself.

I guess acquiring kinks might be something of interest. I don't particularly care much about that, though.

DonZabu

Your definition of private is different from others, if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be talking about it, etc etc.

Gelzo

Talking about this? Like on a meta level? I don't know if that counts.

Tnophelia

it does.

glennmagusharvey

"The moment tropers in the wiki were encouraged to talk about that kind if stuff...

... you get Troper Tales."

Noimporta wins.

Anyway, I definitely find nonstandard-sexuality/nonstandard-gender people to be unusual, though not immoral.

I think it's a fact of life that they're unusual, and those who object to me treating it as something unusual are conflating me with those people who actually think it's immoral--those who do think that can go take a hike, in my opinion.

Central Avenue

I think it's a fact of life that they're unusual, and those who object to me treating it as something unusual are conflating me with those people who actually think it's immoral--those who do think that can go take a hike, in my opinion.

Agreed.

Gelzo

Sounds like a reasonable perspective.

randomtropeloser

Also agreed.  TvT often attracts people who are different/open to new things, so a lot of tropers might also be the sort who would be willing to try alternate forms of gender identity and the like like when others would be afraid/unwilling to.

ClockworkUniverse

Also also agreed.

Tnophelia

I wish they wouldn't get into arguments about it though. We have a thread for it, and don't need to go on and on about gender roles in threads it shouldn't be in. It was just like the lolicon crap and the pseudo-intellectualism shit that bloomed near the end of the year.

ClockworkUniverse

What was the pseudo-intellectualism shit again? I think I mostly tuned it out.

randomtropeloser

I think I managed to not notice it because my mind isn't capable of comprehending that sort of thing.

Miya

I once created an OTC thread regarding this. It's gone now.

Tnophelia

Its where everyone was bitching and fighting over post-modernism/absolute nihilism/stoicism/daoism, different philosophies, the benefits of different thinking systems that were so overblown and idiotic that even the OPs didn't know what the hell they were talking about. It delved into flaws with religion, flaws with politics and flaws with how people liked certain animes.

It was really really really annoying.

ClockworkUniverse

How did I miss that? It sounds really bad.