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Some of the women at slutwalks...

HatterHatter
edited 2011-06-29 18:23:41 in General
Glaives are better.

... Are not the kind of woman I'd even consider touching, let alone raping.

I saw a picture of an obese, ugly woman wearing a striped shirt and carrying a hand-lettered cardboard sign saying "You only call me a slut 'cuz my sexuality scares you."

Honestly? She's right.

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  • SchitzoSchitzo
    They're somethin' else.
    Agreed, tenfold. (lol centerfold)
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Agreed, ten folds.

    -snicker snicker-
  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    AFAIK, there isn't any known correlation between attractiveness and frequency of rape.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    inb4 Chagen

    Well, people who aren't attractive get raped too, I guess. From what I hear, rape isn't so much about the sex as the power.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    No, sex is a part of it. Trust me.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2011-06-29 19:34:36
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^^I've heard that, but I've always questioned the implication that there's one and only one type of rapist. Surely, some of them just want the sex.

    Ninja'd.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Not always.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    ^^ Exactly.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that was true for all rapists. I meant more that it's true for some of them, so they probably aren't going to be just going after "hot" girls.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    I think that the people who are more likely to be raped are the girls who go to frat parties or have abusive relatives, not gender studies majors who are only there to support their moon-sisters.

    But really, I disagree with the basic principle of slut walks. It's one thing if everybody is getting raped left and right and no one is doing anything about it, but one Canadian cop saying that a rape victim shouldn't have been wearing slutty clothing isn't really cause to go out and start a revolution. I mean, yeah, ideally it shouldn't matter what you wear, you should be safe out on the streets or in bars. But the truth of the matter is that you have to protect yourself against amoral people. Part of being a responsible adult is preparing for possible danger, and that involves dressing conservatively and carrying a means of defending yourself if necessary. 

  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    Careful, Hatter. Say that anywhere on the internet and the Feminazis will go ballistic.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    I think that "misandrist" is a better term. There are plenty of feminists who, while I think they're wrong, don't hate men. 

    But all this talk about "hey, I shouldn't have to protect myself!" is childish. Arguing that you shouldn't have to exercise caution because sexual assault is wrong is the height of immaturity, and I have less respect for such people than for college girls who get drunk and pass out on couches at parties.

  • DonZabuDonZabu
    edited 2011-06-29 20:43:13
    While I get the gist of what you're saying, it's very easy to interpret it as "only irresponsible idiots get raped, and if they do, it's entirely their fault and not the fault of the rapist".
  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    "Yes dear, I know you were just raped, and I know it was horribly traumatic and all that nonsense, but what did you expect? You were wearing a miniskirt at a college party! Did you really expect anyone there to not want to rape you?"
  • AHRAHR
    In all honesty, I think it has more to do with shyness and say, getting drunk that is more likely to get you raped than the type of clothing you wear. 

    but that's more of my personal theory.
  • HatterHatter
    edited 2011-06-29 20:43:40
    Glaives are better.

    If you want to interpret it that way, go ahead. As I said before, I have nothing but sympathy for victims of assault. And it's entirely possible for someone who's taken all possible precautions to still be assaulted. And even if someone walked into a bad neighborhood wearing nothing but a dreamy smile and got assaulted, I'd still sympathize.

    Wicked, please, I'm allergic to straw.

  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    I'm well aware that this isn't what you mean, but there isn't any way to put what you're talking into practice without saying that at some point.
  • LouieWLouieW
    edited 2011-06-29 20:51:19
    Loser
    Post was not constructive so it was edited out.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    What do you think I'm advocating? Blaming the victim? I know it can be interpreted that way, but no, what I'm advocating is telling young people to exercise caution in social environments. Don't drink the punch. Don't wear clothing that's provocative or revealing. Don't leave your drink lying around. Don't fall asleep. Don't go upstairs with someone you don't fully trust. And if something bad happens, you find the person who committed the crime and you bring them to justice. But exercising caution is the best way of avoiding these problems in the first place.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Doesn't help much if you're just pulled into a dark alley with your mouth being covered.

    It happens. A lot.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    While I do agree that women at parties should exercise a good deal of caution, that's not necessarily going to stop things, and no amount of being stupid justifies rape. Ever. The idea that following these rules is insurance against being rape is even more naive than what you're accusing for these women, not to mention insanely lacking in knowledge.

    The crazy thing about rape is that it also happens often in domestic situations with people you trust, in alleyways walking home, and god forbid with family members. In fact, those are more common.
  • BlackHumorBlackHumor
    @Cygan: Actually it doesn't happen a lot, which is exactly the problem.

    Your boyfriend doesn't care what clothing you're wearing; that one friend of yours doesn't care if you're sober. Advice that protects you against strangers, even if it worked (dressing conservatively does not work), is mostly pointless for that reason.

    If I was going to give someone advice to not be raped by a stranger, I'd give them the same advice for any other crime and tell them to appear difficult to rape (that is, be alert and carry a weapon if possible). If I was going to give someone advice to not be raped period, I couldn't do it reliably; there's no good way to tell if your boyfriend is the kind of guy who doesn't take "no" for an answer. Of course if you know he is that kind of guy you should break up with him and stay far away, but if you don't know that yet you just don't know it and there's no safe way to find it out.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Actually it doesn't happen a lot, which is exactly the problem.

    It happens a lot more than you'd think. It just doesn't get reported.
  • BlackHumorBlackHumor
    No it doesn't. (Page 7, table 7)

    About 20% of rapes (of women) are commited by strangers, which means that 80% aren't. And this is a survey, not based on police reports.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    > 2,283,200

    > 2,060,250

    I'd call even a twentieth of that 'a lot'.
  • BlackHumorBlackHumor
    edited 2011-06-30 03:23:09
    2 million? Where do you get that? The figure from the actual table is 21,860 stranger rapes per year, or about one 100th of 2,000,000.

    EDIT: Oh, now I see your mistake. You're looking at the column marked violent crime (as in, in general), instead of rape.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Oooohhhh, okay.

    It sees I've been basing my views on incorrect information.
  • melonheadmelonhead
    These Slutwalks are so embarrassing and stupid and flawed... I don't understand what they think they're accomplishing with it.
  • InsanityAddictInsanityAddict
    Diet NEET
    The notion that what women wear doesn't entitle anyone to a piece of them. Swell message, wrong execution, but no flaws that aren't committed by other short-term 'awareness' events.
  • IaculusIaculus
    Even for the twenty per cent that are dark-alley grabbings or similar, I doubt that clothing plays much of a part. There, it's about vulnerability rather than attractiveness.

    I'm not wholly convinced by the 'rape is all about power' line (if that were the case, why not just beat them up instead?), but that still doesn't have to mean that perceived beauty is what makes women vulnerable compared to perceived availability. Predators tend to be practical sorts operating in a high-risk environment, and that means that if given the choice on how to get their dicks wet, they're going to go for the easy option.
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