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"The show you enjoy is objectively shitty, for these following reasons"

edited 2011-06-19 00:23:12 in Media
☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
Great, you've told me about the shitty quality of the story, the Moe bullshit is bad for the industry, the characters are forgettable, the animation is below average, the migration from the manga to the anime left a lot of details behind, and the gore and drama was narmy disappointing and laughably bad.

I still like it, why is that bad? Is there something wrong with people liking subjectively/objectively shitty shows?


Either way, the whole "Objective" expression made to explain why shows suck is fine and all, but how is that supposed to make people who like the show stop liking it? In general it's opinion and tastes that matter when it comes to enjoying shows anyway.

Badaphor time:
Eating straight butter is objectively bad for you. There's proof that eating 6 bricks of butter is horrible for you. People still enjoy the taste of butter, and some people out there do not care that it's horrible, they will eat those 6 bricks if they want.
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  • I don't mind people who enjoy eating six bricks of butter, I just get annoyed when they don't recognize that six bricks of butter is a shitty meal.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    What about if they do realize it, but want to eat it anyway? Is that okay?
  • I thought I covered that. Don't you normally want to do something if you enjoy it?
  • Okay, I'll admit. I have fetish for badmouthing Elfen Lied. I can't help it.
  • Has friends besides tanks now
    I wouldn't compare Elfen Lied to eating six bricks of butter. I don't recall it being that bad.
  • edited 2011-06-19 09:29:50
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    I think that Elfen Lied (at least the manga, but considering that many think that the anime is worse, I don't have much hope for it) is total crap too and I regret that I bought the first volume.

    But I would never think of claiming that my opinion is the objective truth.

    Also, it would be hypocritical of me to complain about people liking qualitatively underachieving things. There are quite a few things that I like, which would be Guilty Pleasure, if I'd actually felt guilty about it.
  • edited 2011-06-19 09:48:33
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    A question: if Elfen Lied is so terribu, why do so many people love it?
  • Has friends besides tanks now
    Because naked animu girls and gore.
  • if Elfen Lied is so terribu, why do so many people love it?
    A lot of people enjoy terrible things, as for Elfen Lied, there are many possible reasons:
    • See Everest's post.
    • Many people don't know any better, and usually come to it from things that are worse, or a different kind of bad.
    • It has a nice OP.
    • Some people didn't watch/read X-men back then.
    • Some people don't realize the complete brokenness of the aesop.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    I liked Elfen Lied. Didn't think it was awesome or anything. But hey, awesome OP, awesome tits, brutal action, hooray.
  • edited 2011-06-19 11:35:00
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ...now I want to watch this just to see whether it sucks and if so how much.

    That said, I just recently finished watching a really great series and a really crappy series.  Respectively, they are Eureka Seven and Jinki: Extend.

    JE was an interesting experience.  You had an intriguing cast of characters (Mel J. Vanette aside; for some reason she bored me), an interesting backstory/setting and story...but very, very poor presentation, including pacing.  It turns out that the series was trying to tell two stories at once--those of two different mangas--in just 12 episodes.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I read the manga. It was...okay.

    Though the ending really sucked.
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    "The show you enjoy is objectively shitty, for these following reasons"

    That's funny, because I subjectively like it.
  • When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    What's the aesop? I gather it has something to do with "Humans/other race weren't actually evil, so we shouldn't have killed them"? 
  • edited 2011-06-19 13:12:15
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^Yes, but then in the ending (at least in the manga), the author suddenly declares that they actually were all evil after all despite all the proof otherwise throughout the series, and the humans exterminate them and live happily ever after.
  • To add to your butter metaphor:

    Anyway, I think the idea is that you realize how bad the show is and see the error in your ways or something. Not that that'll actually work.

  • edited 2011-06-19 13:13:32
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    So it's like that Fantastic Four comic where they find a kid suspected to be an evil Skrull, and the aesop is set up to be "Don't judge a book by its cover", except he actually is an evil Skrull and they have to defeat him, making the aesop "All members of a race are evil, no matter what"? 

    ^ Oh, Texas. Never change. 
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Yeah, pretty much.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I think the Society of Lawful Good Orcs is very annoyed at this turn of events.
  • You can change. You can.
    I personally don't see how a show being bad stops it from being enjoyable.
  • Better memorably bad than forgettable, if you ask me.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    @DonZabu
    That isn't a deep friend/battered block of butter is it :s?
  • I think the one thing that gets me is that the linked post presents Hellsing of all things as the vastly, unquestionably superior work.

    Let's be honest here - they're both schlock. It's just that one writer has a raging gun fetish whilst the other likes watersports.
  • ...When did Elfen Lied have watersports?
  • Has friends besides tanks now
    ^ Nyu wets herself in the first episode.
  • They're somethin' else.
    ... huh...
  • edited 2011-06-19 16:09:40
    I don't think wetting counts as watersports.  Or at least, I've seen the two terms used to mean separate things (well, I mean aside from one possibly being a subset of the other).
  • edited 2011-06-19 16:20:01

    @Ian: Here's some more:

    According to the reviews, they taste like biscuits.

  • When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    It's from the Texas State Fair. They take their artery surgeries fucking seriously in Texas. 
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