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Directing vs Acting: THE HOLLYWOOD BATTLE BITCHES

ViviVivi
edited 2011-06-11 23:07:51 in General
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My friend ( who is also helping the same theatre productions as me) and I are arguing which is harder to become famous for. I said Directing.
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  • NyktosNyktos
    edited 2011-06-11 23:10:01
    a little muffled
    My first thought was directing, but thinking about it, probably acting. There are more famous actors than famous directors, but a movie typically only has one director and a lot of actors. The stars are probably more famous than the director (unless it's James Cameron or something) but the majority of the actors? Not so much.
  • ViviVivi
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    That's true, Nyktos, but I still say Directors. I can name more actors that feature film directors.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ^ But there are a lot more actors in general, aren't there?

    You'd need to figure out the ratio of famous:not famous directors and famous:not famous actors.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Actors. For every succesful actor there are three thousand billion waiters. Just sayin.

    now, that's if we equate fame with success. Although they are hardly the same.
  • ViviVivi
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    I don't think we're equating fame with success. And if that is the case, I still say Directors, brah.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    It depends on the time, then. I mean, if we're talking about the seventies, then you'd be wrong. But today? You're indeed right. This is mostly because studios don't care anymore about who's directing this days (This is an exaggeration, but when you get to it...yeah)
  • ViviVivi
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    I guess then that the future looks bleak for me as a prospective director, huh?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    As I see it, times are changing. People like Cristopher Nolan are changing that, via producing and funding their own projects. Also, guys like Von Trier are breaking various rules that many people didn't think possible.

    But, most importantly, fame is hardly something worth caring for. If it comes, it comes, but it's much more preferable to be succesful. People don't realize how hard it is to work on a film. Especially as a director. To be able to churn one (Especially your first one) is a challenge that most people back down from. 
  • ViviVivi
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    Nolan is one of the modern directors I look up to the most.

    What has Von Trier done?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Yup, he is pretty amazing and I'd daresay that he's the best director of this generation and on par with Spielberg and Scorsese





    Lars Von Trier has done this:

  • ViviVivi
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    Can't see youtube on this.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Have a work page
  • ViviVivi
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    Interesting. I'll have to check it out sometime.

    It's funny how you only here of directors who are very good, or very bad. Or known for a specfic style, or big budget flicks. Don't think it's always been like that.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    It's always been like that. Same thing goes to actors.
  • ViviVivi
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    I don't think it's the same for actors honestly. Close, but not the same. Just think of how many actors you can name (that a normal person would know the name of) compared to directors.

    This isn't animosity or anything. Just sayin'
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Three.
  • ViviVivi
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    Three actors or directors?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Just think of how many actors you can name (that a normal person would know the name of) compared to directors. 

    Under what criteria? Live, dead, modern, currently working?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I can name three actors.
  • ViviVivi
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    All. Well, done movies that have been in theaters.
  • ViviVivi
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    What three?!
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Angeline Jolie, Tom Cruise and Leonardo Di Caprio.

    Only three actors I can remember.
  • ViviVivi
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    Tom Hanks, Bill Murray, Robert Downey Jr., Jessica Alba, Cameron Diaz, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Russel Brand, Zack Galafinakis, George Lopez, Will Smith...

    Those are literally just the first one's to come to mind.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I recognize Will Smith?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I'm just gonna use "All" because the other one involves me doing research on theater beyond Shakespear and I don't feel like doing so:

    Let's see...(Also, only film, no TV-only actors or VA)

    Also, I'm stopping the list the moment I start staring blankly for ten seconds

    • Actors:
    1. Robert De Niro
    2. Al Pacino
    3. Robert Duvall
    4. Marlon Brando
    5. Emilio Estevez
    6. Charlie Sheen
    7. Matthew Broderick
    8. Martin Sheen
    9. Michael Keaton
    10. Jack Nicholson
    11. Shirley Mac Laine
    12. Katherine Hepburn
    13. Lauren Bacall
    14. Humphrey Bogart
    15. Cary Grant
    16. Audrey Hepburn
    17. Bette Davis
    18. Orson Welles
    19. Clint Eastwood
    20. Nathan Fillion
    21. Lee Marvin
    22. Charles Bronson
    23. Steve McQueen
    24. Faye Dunaway
    25. John Huston
    26. Peter Lorre 
    27. Mary Astor
    28. Sydnet Greenstreet
    29. Lawrence Olivier
    • Directors
    1. John Huston
    2. Orson Welles
    3. Steven Spielberg
    4. Stanley Kubrick
    5. Michael Mann
    6. Danny Boyle
    7. George Lucas
    8. Tim Burton
    9. Michel Selick
    10. Edgar Wright
    11. Sydney Pollack
    12. Joss Whedon
    13. Alejandro Gonzalez Iñarritu
    14. Irvin Kershner
    15. Joel Schummacher
    16. Lawrence Olivier
    17. Quentin Tarantino
    18. Robert Zemeckis
    19. John Hughes
    20. Akira Kurosawa
    21. Francis Ford Coppola
    22. Woody Allen
    23. Alfred Hitchcock
    24. Ben Affleck
    25. John Carpenter
    26. Mel Brooks
    27. John McTiernan
    28. Jon Favreu
    29. Rob Reiner
    30. David Fincher
    31. Christopher Nolan
    32. Lars Von Trier
    33. Zucker, Abrahams, Zucker
    34. Sergio Leone
    35. John Sturges
    36. Sam Raimi 
    37. Brian Singer
    38. J.J Abrams
    ...And...I'm done.

    Of course, it is obvious that this is all subjective, so meh.
  • ViviVivi
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    Seth Rogan, Jesse Eisenberg, Amanda Bynes, Emma Stone, Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Steve Carrell, Jim Carrey, Heath Ledger...
  • ViviVivi
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    I think it says something about me that I've heard of all those directors, but not some actors. To be fair though, you did say older actors.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    If Heath Ledger is the Joker I have heard of him.

    Compare directors (without looking at Juan's list); M. Night Shamalayan, Christopher Nolan, Stephen Spielberg, Chris Columbus, Alfonso Cuaron, Mike Newell...
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-06-12 01:10:57
    You can change. You can.
    Older awesomer actors. Lauren Bacall and Katharine Hepburn are pretty much what every female actress should aspire to be. 

    ^You know, I just realized that TDK might be my favorite movie of all time and I didn't even mention a single member from that cast. 
  • ViviVivi
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    I understand for Juan, but I'm surprised you can name so few actors.
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