Creativity

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Schitzo

I write when i'm both bored and pissed off. In other words, when I'm in school

glennmagusharvey

This thread is disappointing me.  C'mon, people, more actual discussion?

AHR

It Gets Better.

Excuses shitty beginning. y/n.

MillerCross

Depends on where it ends. I know a lot of works thaat start badly, but the ending overcompensates for everything. It is a matter of patience, though.

AHR

But can something built on bad beginnings even be truly good? All the crappy elements are still there.

MillerCross

They can be weeded out, or they can grow on you or they can be better implemented, etc etc.

glennmagusharvey

Hey, I didn't think much of Kiddy Grade when it first started.

I really appreciate stories like that, to be honest; ones that seem meh at the beginning but evolve into something far greater.

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It depends on how soon it gets better for me.

But that's only because i'm really not interested in waiting.

glennmagusharvey

Oh, definitely.  Foreshadowing is a pacing device that ought to be used to prepare the reader for things like these; otherwise you can get BLAMs.

Alkthash

It depends on what is going on before stuff kicks in really. If you have a large cast/setting, it helps to get the audience familiar with them before you start shuffling things around. If it is just faffing about, then cut it.

But can something built on bad beginnings even be truly good? All the crappy elements are still there.

Think of it this way, a lot of character development and plot progression is based on making bad things better. No reason the same can't happen on a meta level for the story.

AHR

But no matter how refined, a mental perspective is still a mental perspective. Humans don't change that so easily. I mean, even if Frank Miller was able to turn his whore characters in to well developed people with hopes and dreams, they'd still be the scantily clad females who have some sort of sexual background.

The seed is still there. Don't see how it could possibly get better, even with refining.

MillerCross

Humans don't change that so easily. I mean, even if Frank Miller was able to turn his whore characters in to well developed people with hopes and dreams, they'd still be the scantily clad females who have some sort of sexual background.

And that's bad...how?

MoeDantes

But can something built on bad beginnings even be truly good?

You know, like MS-DOS, or Windows, or the animation industry, or the written novel, or most every country in the world, or the entire human race?

... I'd say the answer is "eeyup."

MadassAlex

Or the universe, which exploded first thing in the morning.

glennmagusharvey

Explosions are not evil-aligned; they are chaotic neutral.

Vorpy

Explosions have no moral agenda. Therefore neutral. Binkie Boy.

MillerCross

Also, some would argue that humanity and the universe itself didn't really grow a beard...neither figuratively nor literally.

MadassAlex

Binkie boy.

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MillerCross

I can't help but think of Alex as Kaiba and Vorpy as Pegasus. At least, their YGOTAS versions. 

You may continue.

glennmagusharvey

@Vorpy: However, they are by their very nature chaotic, creating disorder.

Vorpy

That would make dildos chaotic neutral as well then. The also could be said of extremely tiny thong underwear, women's hearts and salt.

glennmagusharvey

Boot to the pillar of salt.