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Being American Makes Being Creative Pointless

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  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-06-05 19:46:53

    "You tell an American, for example, that his story needs more political angles, and he'll throw in an obstructive bureaucrat who comes off to the reader as totally arbitrary."

    Why would you tell someone that their story needs more political angles unless it's a very specific one you hold?

  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    edited 2011-06-05 19:46:59
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^^ But I don't like those artists.You're example doesn't work.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Of course, we're talking about someone who's favorite show is He-man, so I'm not sure how much we can trust his definition of good culture.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-06-05 19:48:25
    You can change. You can.
    Most people in this thread have made the point that "creativity isn't everything, skill counts too." The problem is, Americans aren't exactly skilled as well, because culturally we've always had it too easy, so we don't know the subtle tricks and nuances and only know the surface. You tell an American, for example, that his story needs more political angles, and he'll throw in an obstructive bureaucrat who comes off to the reader as totally arbitrary. Americans just lack the proper cultural background to get things such as these, unless they're unusually educated or world-savvy--which is rare.

    Yeah, because generalizing a whole country's body of work is the smart thing to do. Not to say that when you tell someone to add something like political angles to their story, it's really hard to do so with at least a massive rewriting
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-06-05 19:51:38
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Why would you tell someone that their story needs more political angles?


    I don't know, but when you ask for advice, a lot of what you get is shitty like that.

    Admittedly in that instance you could blame the advice-giver for not narrowing down what he means. But you can also blame the writer for acting on it even knowing its shitty.

    Isaac Asimov is crying right now.


    Quite an accomplishment for a dead guy.

    Of course, we're talking about someone who's favorite show is He-man, so I'm not sure how much we can trust his definition of good culture.


    Comparing myself to the people who think "Batman is so revolutionary because OMG REALISTIC GUNS and OMG Mr. Freeze's wife died the psychology is so derp deep!" I think I come out ahead.
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    edited 2011-06-05 19:49:54
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^^^ No I'm pretty sure he is dead now.
  • AHRAHR
    Because as we all know, Sam Clemens, Toni Morrison, John Steinbeck, Scott Fitzgerald, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine,  James Cooper, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Herman Melville, Arthur Miller, Emily Dickinson, E. E. Cummings, Langston Hughes, Sinclair Lewis, Harper Lee, Henry Mill, J. D. Salinger, Philip Roth, Ralph Ellison, Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath, Ernest Hemingway, T. S. Eliot and lord knows who else, are a pretty shitty base for culture, eh?
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-06-05 19:50:40
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    America: The only country anywhere with stupid people.

    ^yeah, fuck those guys what did they ever do anyway
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-06-05 19:51:07
    You can change. You can.
    I'm pretty sure he's not the only American writer who would be offended by this whole thing, to be perfectly honest.

    No, scratch that, I don't think he's the only writer who would be offended.

    AND NINJAS! NINJAS FUCKING EVERYWHERE!
  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)
    «Comparing myself to the people who think "Batman is so revolutionary because OMG REALISTIC GUNS and OMG Mr. Freeze's wife died the psychology is so derp deep!" I think I come out ahead.»
    That's because all your substantive opinions are wrong.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Comparing myself to the people who think "Batman is so revolutionary
    because OMG REALISTIC GUNS and OMG Mr. Freeze's wife died the psychology
    is so derp deep!" I think I come out ahead.

    o hai strawman

    nice straw u have thar
  • AHRAHR
    ...so...is your only exposure to Batman that one shitty Batman movie?
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-06-05 19:56:04
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Because, of course, Batman was the only thing created by Americans, ever.

    I can play that game, too.

    Pick a work, any work. 
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^ That and condensed milk.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-06-05 19:58:35
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    And Scrabble.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Comparing myself to the people who think "Batman is so revolutionary because OMG REALISTIC GUNS and OMG Mr. Freeze's wife died the psychology is so derp deep!" I think I come out ahead.

    We get it, you have a hatecrush on Batman. Why do I need to hear about it?
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    If you think Batman is the pinnacle of American cultural achievement...

    I don't even know what to say.
  • AHRAHR
    While I have gotten my basis of stories from the UK and Japan, I have to say, there are certainly US shows and books that are astoundingly impressive, in one way or another, be it for comedy or something else. I mean, there's a huge variety to boot, and the US has the widest access, which is kinda awesome.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    -sigh- I ask again, does this thread need a lock?
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Maybe.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Actually, I'll freely admit it's just us yelling at Moe. So I would not be entirely unopposed to that idea.

    On the other hand, I generally want to know what he has to say. 
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    It seems that he's already said what he's intended to.

    Locking.
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