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Being American Makes Being Creative Pointless

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  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    In my opinion, no.
  • TheMightyAnonymTheMightyAnonym
    ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    I'll make it later. Until then, here is a picture of Scootaloo banging her head on a paino.


  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-06-05 19:16:47
    Has friends besides tanks now
    "I think we can cut out the jerkiness for the time being."

    Hm. Might be worth a shot. I've been a pretty big douche in this thread, myself.

    ^^^ We could probably just make a thread for that that isn't already tainted.

    And I also disagree that creativity is all that is needed to tell a story.
  • GelzoGelzo
    edited 2011-06-05 19:16:46
    Pony Sleuth
    Besides creativity, you also need a medium to communicate thought through.
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    It depends on what the reader wants, some want a new experience in word form, others want a rehash of what they love.


  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    AHR:No.

    It can help, though.
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-06-05 19:18:18
    Considering the jerkiness was mostly my fault, I apologize and promise not to do it again. There, problem solved! Thread saved, forever! :D

    CREATIVITY. It is all that is needed to make a great story y/n?

    No. Granted, it can lead to things such as a more interesting story or more intriguing dialogue, it's not all that is needed. You need to be able to communicate things clearly, first of all. If you can't do that, no amount of creativity can save your work. I learned that the hard way, not that I'm the most creative person alive...
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-05 19:18:20
    Gelzo: Heheh. Cute. I just meant skills wise. :P

    Dammit, we all agree. THIS IS HORRIBLE.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    You know, I just realized that my works aren't actually that creative, but simply subvert and twist tropes in odd ways, or mix tropes that normally aren't mixed together.
  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)
    «Bob: Look, I don't like people insulting me or my works. I put a lot of effort into them.»

    Would you say you put your heart and soul into them?
  • AHRAHR
    I don't even know if my stories are creative or not. I just kinda write them to do what I want to see. So I guess I write things that I want to see that I haven't seen yet but...
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Skills-wise, you need skills.
  • AHRAHR
    No. way.
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
  • JG_PunkJG_Punk
    edited 2011-06-05 19:30:09
    YO YO YO U CAN'T C ME BOUT TO SPIT SUMTIN' STOOPID!
    I'm going to give a counter-point to your argument (thought I do agree with it.)

    There's a flip-side to Japan encouraging creativity:


    Oh right that image might be questionable for work, I'll just link it instead.
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-05 19:30:39
    Porn can be very creative, actually, and I think that it is far better that way. 
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    It can be quite literally creative if you don't use protection.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Playing devil's advocate here, just because something is offensive to our morals does not necessarily mean that it's not creative. Just a bad type of creative. 

    And to be clear, I hate rapists and all the rapes they do. 
  • JG_PunkJG_Punk
    edited 2011-06-05 19:36:02
    YO YO YO U CAN'T C ME BOUT TO SPIT SUMTIN' STOOPID!
    ^^ I like the cut of your jib,sir.

    ^Hence why I said there's a flipside the japan encouraging the creativity.
  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)
    The issue with Rapelay isn't creativity.  The issue is that the game is very, very bad, from a technical level.

    (No, I haven't played it, but I've read Aondeug's sadly deleted-by-shitty-forum-software liveblog of it)
  • AHRAHR
    Oh, that was rapelay? Bah. It is a shitty game. Whether you get off on it or not.
  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)
    Also, I'm fairly certain that rape-based dōjinshi isn't actually an uncommon thing.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Aren't there magazines that cater to those types of fetishes in Japan, but make sure to stress not to perform them?
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-06-05 19:43:20
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Okay guys, wow, this topic is posted for all of thirty minutes and its already got almost 100 comments?

    Why would living in a country with some of the highest standards of living in the world, some of the best minds, companies and people producing new and fantastic ideas each and every day, ever, in any way, preclude you from coming to that conclusion? At all? Whatsoever?


    Because dude, the Culture. America has some of the worst cultural preconceptions in the history of civilization, and is populated by a people deluded enough to know this on one hand, but on the other somehow still convince themselves that they're doing it better than anyone else.

    Most people in this thread have made the point that "creativity isn't everything, skill counts too." The problem is, Americans aren't exactly skilled as well, because culturally we've always had it too easy, so we don't know the subtle tricks and nuances and only know the surface. You tell an American, for example, that his story needs more political angles, and he'll throw in an obstructive bureaucrat who comes off to the reader as totally arbitrary. Americans just lack the proper cultural background to get things such as these, unless they're unusually educated or world-savvy--which is rare.

    By the way:

    Playing devil's advocate here, just because something is offensive to our morals does not necessarily mean that it's not creative. Just a bad type of creative.


    I totally love the way this line shoots itself in the foot. Either way, the whole reason its "bad" is because you can't get over your morals. I can totally tell you're American just because of lines like this.

    Love also, that this topic almost got locked just because I didn't anticipate such a rapid response.
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-05 19:43:15
    rape isn't really all that uncommon in most fiction cultures, including the US.

    They just get subtle about it.

    ^Oh I get it. Because you dislike US entertainment, that means all americans are shitty writers and entertainers. And it is the country's fault. 
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Because dude, the Culture. America has some of the worst cultural preconceptions in the history of civilization, and is populated by a people deluded enough to know this on one hand, but on the other somehow still convince themselves that they're doing it better than anyone else.

    Um...how much do you know about world history?
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Um...how much do you know
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-06-05 19:47:45
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Please stop this. This is not getting any better for you.

    I can pull out the iPod I'm listening to right now, with Animal Collective and Modest Mouse on my playlist, to show just a few examples of how this is not true in the slightest.

    Also:


    I totally love the way this line shoots itself in the foot. Either way, the whole reason its "bad" is because you can't get over your morals. I can totally tell you're American just because of lines like this.


    I am from New Jersey. New Jersey tends to get a lot more crap than the other states, but I shrug it off because really, does everybody think it's a smog-filled guidofest? No, of course not.

    And then there's people like you, who think they know everything there is to know about a place because of some offhand anecdotes and out of context facts presented to you. To which I rebut:

    Where do you live, Moe?
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