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"Rape is worse than death!"

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  • AHRAHR
    If you suffer or "go to hell" or however you wanna put it, you're gonna be doing that whether you live to age 80 or 10. 
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    True. But, I'm still gonna say rape. If someone came to me and said, "I will either rape you or kill you, your choice." Rape.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Agreed. At least you may still have a physical being after being raped.
  • AHRAHR
    Heh. S'odd. My parents always told me if someone has a gun and told me to get in the car or they would shoot, to tell them to shoot, because nothing is worth the suffering you'd be put through.

    But that's kidnapping, not rape, so yeah.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    "At least you may still have a physical being after being raped."
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    They're not mutually exclusive, AHR.
  • AHRAHR
    JC: I am aware.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    If we're going to measure the badness of something bad happening (measured in kilonazis, of course), then it comes down to two factors:

    1. Pain inflicted

    2. Pleasure denied

    With rape, there is a good deal of pain inflicted (as a result of a hard dicking, plus emotional pain), and probably pleasure denied (stuff like sex, intimacy, the joy of prancing naked through dark alleys, etc.). In either case, the emotional scars fade with time. Unless you're a giant blubbering pussy or you have clinical depression (the latter is excusable, the former is not), the emotional pain will fade, given enough time.

    With death, there is almost always at least some pain inflicted, and all of life's pleasures are denied to you.

    Death is worse.

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-02 15:09:27
    Only if you're looking at it that way. I don't really think one can be objectively defined as worse than the other until we know what death is like. Until then, you can only analyze it on a personal level.

    Even then, some people handle different types of suffering well...differently.

  • StormtroperStormtroper
    edited 2011-06-02 15:10:43
    ^^ Death also prevents pain.



    /nihilism

    Edit: Wait, that's not nihilism. Well, you know what I'm talking about.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    Alright, AHR, let's analyze this shit.

    Is it better to die peacefully, of old age in a bed somewhere, surrounded by your family and friends, or is it better to die of a gunshot wound to the stomach when you're fourteen, alone, cold and unloved?

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-02 15:13:58
    Either way you die. Obviously the first one is a better option, but that doesn't mean permanent emotional scarring is better than the less desirable death outcome.

    I wouldn't mind up and dying right now (where I would probably experience something in between those two outcomes, but closer to the less happy one), but that's just me.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    I would rather be raped at 14 than killed at 14.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    Why is the first option better?
  • AHRAHR
    Because you said peacefully, which implied a death not involving puking your guts out, slowly suffocating, or something else that might kill old people painfully.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    Peacefully doesn't mean painlessly. In my book, it just means that you died of natural causes. You could be puking your lungs out and it would still count as "peaceful" because it wasn't the product of violence.

    But for my argument's sake, let's assume that both the young man and the old man are suffering just as much. Which is more tragic? The death of an ancient man who has lived a long life, or the death of a young man who has barely started his own life?

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-02 15:27:59
    Oh. They are the same.

    For the person.

    The people left behind, it's a different story. But it's the same for the two people.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    They are totally not the same.
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-02 15:30:36
    Pain wise, it is, assuming they are both putting an equal amount of resistance into it.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    This isn't about pain.

    This is about having life experience, finding happiness, fulfilling goals, wisdom.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    Not really.

    Old people die all the time. They grow to accept it. As my grandmother said, "When you're old and in pain, death comes as a friend." When they pass on, their loved ones are sad, but they can usually say, "Well, he lived a good long life."

    Young people, on the other hand, have their whole lives ahead of them. When an old person dies, it's usually only his family that mourns. When a child dies, the whole community mourns.

    The latter is a worse situation because their death robs them of all the pleasures of life, of the experiences that shape us and make us who we are. The former is a sad but inevitable event, but not a tragedy. 

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-06-02 15:33:03
    Which is all a moot point once you're dead. I mean, it's like when your parents tell you to not be so distraught about your peas mixing with your potatoes. All going to the same place.

    Hatter: Then the old person is suffering less, because they are not trying to fight the death. You said they were suffering equally.

  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    I meant physical pain. The emotional pain is really more of a problem for the victim's community and family.

    Honestly, it's hard to put the two on completely even footing, but you understand my point. It's worse for  a child to die than for an old person to die.

  • BobBob
    I'd rather die than be raped, but considering I'm already borderline suicidal according to people that can apparently read my mind and know me far better than I know myself, my opinion on the matter probably doesn't matter much.
  • AHRAHR
    The community suffering has nothing to do with whether the kid or old dude feels pain or not. 

    Like I said before, Death is considered bad because of everyone left behind.

    Once you remove that from the equation, it gets a lot less scary.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    "I'm already borderline suicidal according to people that can apparently read my mind and know me far better than I know myself,"

    Don't be sad, emo kid.

    Someone grab Bob a straightjacket, before xkhle slashes xkhler wrists!

  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    Not existing is scary to me.
  • BeeBee
    edited 2011-06-02 15:41:12
    This is one of those things I wouldn't begrudge someone's opinion either way (so long as they're not like, running around trying to mercy kill rape victims, because seriously).  Some people are resilient enough to recover from rape and move on.  Others can get permanently messed up in the head very badly by it, especially if it happens more than once.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    If it's any consolation, Vivi, if you have a strong enough will you can roam the earth as a ghost after you die.

    Unfortunately for you all, it means that after I die, I'm going to haunt the fuck out of all of you.

  • BeeBee
    Vegeeeeeta...
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