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Hedonistic beliefs

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  • I can't think of another way people convince others something is righteous/some other subjective thing.
  • $80+ per session
    Appeal to emotion is actually one of the most powerful persuasive techniques. I speak from experience.
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:06:12
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Hedonism is good for those who want no self-responsibility and who hate authority. I could easily name names, but I won't, and neither will anyone else.

    Except for Vorpy. 
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:00:24
    ^^Then why doesn't it work for environmentalists? I mean, they have freaking science on their side as well.
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:00:14
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ^^Oh, you're talking about

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  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Hedonism is good for those wh want no self-responsibility and who hate authority. I could easily name names, but I won't, and neither will anyone else.


    Durr Hurr Vorpy Hurrr
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    Appeal to emotion also tends to get mixed up with emotions simply being taken into account, and viceversa, thus resulting in a few too many straw Vulcans.
  • $80+ per session
    It does work for some environmentalists. In case you haven't notice awareness for the conservation of the earth has improved drastically. It doesn't work for them all the time because there are too many other more powerful factors keeping them back. But it's getting better everyday.
  • Morgan Freeman is God
    Ah don't believe in global warming because ah don't want to get rid of mah pickup truck!
  • I'm still not seeing how appeal to emotion is somehow the only way people obtain their morals.
  • Someone mention me?
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:04:23

    NO!

    @Bob: Personal guilt is a powerful motivator too.

  • It isn't the only way. It's just that common morals at the time couldn't do shit if humans couldn't feel anything they consider bad or good.
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    "I'm still not seeing how appeal to emotion is somehow the only way people obtain their morals."

    As I mentioned, people tend to confuse the appeal to emotion fallacy with stuff that has nothing to do with it.
  • Back to your OP, you would be more convincing if you gave concrete evidence as to why getting on board with PETA was the right thing to do rather than generalize opponents as selfish and hedonistic.
  • (sigh) Appeal to emotion is only a fallacy when it is used to persuade
    people that something is true. There is nothing wrong with it otherwise



    Hedonism is good for those who want no self-responsibility and who hate authority.



    Umm, this one's preferred stance is something like ethical hedonism. And
    this one's attitude towards authority is...messed and complicated, but
    it is not hate. Wish it was hate, would be simpler.
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:15:56
    ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    ^^^&^^Observe: "The PETA example isn't perfect, given that
    we are justified in showing scrutiny towards something that would cause
    trouble, but I digress."

    Or in other words, it was just a clumsy example chosen for the express purpose of avoiding people's toes as I might with any other example.

    Example.

    EXAMPLE.

    *I am not on board with PETA.*

    The point was that I believe there is a significant bias that afflicts people when dealing with whether or not they chose to support something (or not support something), caused by laziness/fear/difficulties in general/weakness/motives/discomfort/or what else have you.
  • Why not have just used vegetarianism in general instead of PETA? I have a friend who's a vegetarian, but she hates PETA with a passion.
  • Yeah, PETA is generally regarded as a joke.
  • edited 2011-05-29 22:19:24
    ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    Vegetarianism can be taken up for health reasons. I used PETA because they believe that animals are equal with humans, or at least should be treated like they are.

    ^And because they are regarded as a joke.

    If I used something serious, I would be risking a fight,

  • edited 2011-05-29 22:21:39
    Tableflipper
    "when it is used to persuade people that something is true."

    I'm fairly sure the majority of people with common morals at the time do not believe that they are most likely false, considering how morals tend to be srs bzns.

    Now, there are sets of morals that don't really need appealing to emotion to work, but there's just too many that do, which is why I stated common morals.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Speaking of PETA...I saved 4 Dinosaur Eels from Walmart before they died and sold them to a local Petstore for 10% interest.
  • "If I used something serious, I would be risking a fight"

    You're always risking a fight just by posting. If someone wants to start a fight that badly, they will. All using a non-serious example does is makes it harder to take your argument seriously.
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    That's true, I suppose. Such is the nature of politics.
  • I know the feeling.
    Even if I could be killing millions with every step, given how big I know the world to be, I could be running flat out for the rest of my life and I wouldn't even get close to euthanising them all. 
    I'm pretty sure everyone has ethical ideals that are technically impossible to actually achieve... and it is best not to think about them overmuch as it serves no practical purpose...

    But beyond that I do also know that people are pretty much just hypocrites and love nothing more than proclaiming one thing while effecting the opposite. That said, I'm also sure they're not generally aware they're doing it. Moral Myopia and all that. Folks got a different set of rules for "what people should do" and "what I will do". All part of the game. Try to make them look the same on the surface, but everyone is skimming the top off when they reckon others aren't looking. I figure somehow it increased biological fitness at some point to start being a hypocrite.
  • This one does not actually have different rules for what people should do and what she should do. What she should do and what she will do are different, though, and she is aware of this fact. Not sure if it counts as hypocrisy or not...This one surely does not practice what she preaches, but she considers it her failure, not her right...
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    A while ask is when I first noticed these qualities, so I started some topics here and there as a sort of test to push people and see if I was right. The topics themselves provided interesting info, but the nature of people's responses was even more interesting.

    One such topic was asking what it would take to convince you of God. Some of the responses were normal-ish responses that one might expect, but many of the others were striking.

    A few were of the mind that "absolutely nothing" would convince them, and others stated that they would probably take their own life. Some even stated that they would rather go to hell. Those are some pretty strong responses, and I'm not sure whether I can even take them seriously, but they are there nonetheless. Other topics like this have had a similar effect. People would still have abortions under worst case scenario, and the reverse is true for pro-lifers refusing to have abortions.

    If we are so clingy to standing for what we believe in, then how can we even be sure that we are thinking straight and are wise in our decision? It is unsettling that we would all be so weak. How much of this can be attributed to hyperbole on the part of the people saying these things?
  • Well, convincing one about an existence of god is rather different from convincing them about particular ideas about god. The "bar" for convincing might be different.

    For example, a simple demonstration would be enough to convince this one in existence of a god. A demonstration accompanied with calling a particular name and absent in all other instances would convince this one in existence of a god of particular religion. But convincing this one that such god a) is who it says it is (instead of any creature using it's name) b) can be trusted and is worthy of following - honestly, this one does not know what would it take to convince her.

    Also, if this one was convinced that certain gods (an Abrahamic god among them) exists, she'd probably became clinically depressed and turned to drugs in order to forget about it just for a moment. However, it would not make her deny god's existence were it proven without any possible doubt. This one is not about to close her eyes and sing "la-la-la, I don't see anything" in the face of obvious. As long as there are legitimate reasons for doubt, though, this one would cling to her doubt, even though there are some ideas that she extends willing suspension of disbelief towards despite having even less proof.
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