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People solving problems (especially school ones) with violence.
Everywhere I go, I hear people talking about getting beat up or having to beat up people at school.
Why is everyone like this? I thought we lived in a civilized world. Why does everyone advocate violence so much?
I never try to get into fights at school, and if they do break out, I run the fuck out of there. What exactly is the point of actually fighting someone? Sorry if I'm not a barbarian who uses irrational ways of solving problems.
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Also, "civilized" means "you live in a city." That means there are more people around you. Human nature doesn't change the second you step into a city. That means that there will be more violence in a "civilized" society.
School fights are necessary and rational. They establish and maintain the social hierarchy, provide an outlet for emotion, and help make sure that children grow up to be adults instead of goddamn fairies who can't fend for themselves.
If it was irrational to fight, then no one would fight.
Violence? it works. Some guy threatens to shoot you? He can't do it if he's had both his arms busted, now can he? The fact is, people just have their brains wired the wrong way and will seek out conflict for no reason at all. You can't logic from them and running from them will only allow them to get worse. Three guesses what would end the problem for good.
You can dismiss violence as "barbaric" all you want, but that does not change the fact that most of the time, its a valid, functional solution, and sometimes is the only solution. Your problem is you're trying to act like you're somehow better for not doing it--which you're not.
I do not think that people who advocate using violence to respond to violence are "barbarians" per se. From what I can tell, they just tend to believe that ignoring a problem or trying to run away from it is less effective than fighting. I guess wanting some revenge is part of it.
That being said, I do not support violence as a solution to problems like school bullying. I think that violence only tends to encourage more violence and hate leads to more hate. I do not see how fights or wars can solve problems unless one's idea of a solution is killing or severely injuring people. In my view, trying to justify violence for oneself makes it that much easier for others to justify using violence against you. Thus, from a selfish perspective I think that using violence is harmful. If you do not physically harm another person, he or she can have no self-defense reason to hurt you.
That being said, I understand that many people still do hurt those who do not fight back. Obviously, I believe that is horrible, but even so, I think that at best violence is a short-term solution and only really "works" if you can either bluff your way into making everyone think you are the toughest person around or if you actually are stronger than everyone else. Otherwise, I believe you run the risk of being beat up or worse in retribution. If you really are the toughest person around, then I do not understand why you would even need to use violence in the first place, but your mileage may vary on that.
As for the idea of revenge, I think it goes against the entire idea of blind justice that I see as key to any kind of legitimate justice system. The harm that one may inflict on another can easily become disproportionate to the harm that person inflicted on you as your emotions begin to enter into the mix. If one truly wants to look like one is above everything, I think that person should forgive instead. In so doing, he or she can help create a virtuous cycle in which kindness encourages kindness and peace leads to more peace.
Still, I believe violence should be stopped and many times I do not think that simply forgiving the other person will stop him or her from hurting you (even if it is the better thing to do). In school and other situations, I would recommend getting other people involved rather than taking things on by yourself. That way I think one can distance oneself from the situation, calm oneself down, and let people who specialize in stopping conflicts get to work on shutting them down (such as police officers or the like). Plus, I do believe there is strength in numbers.
Most people would feel less compelled to take statements of ignoring or telling seriously over a threat of violence.
I weep for humanity. I weep.
o wut rly
It's advised you don't break the laws or rules due to punishment. There is nothing from stopping you from breaking them. If you FEEL like hurting somebody, just keep in mind that there is a possible repercussion for it.
what the fuck people. I thought we lived in a civilized modern society,
away from the vices which destroy humanity. Instead we embrace them? We embrace the
vice that has murdered millions, sent others into destitution, and
overall caused nothing but suffering (because violence can only cause
suffering in the end).
As long as something exists, it can be destroyed. As long as more than one human exists, crimes "against humanity" can be committed. Although I doubt how much damage to humanity ONE person can do by themselves, with their own hands, without help from other humans.
Why yes we do.
I weep for humanity. I weep.
I don't because I am part of humanity, the best part. I weep for the BAD parts of humanity that don't help me further my own goals.
Now let's let the jellyfish roll in.
I doubt how much damage to humanity ONE person can do by themselves,
with their own hands, without help from other humans.
Challenge accepted.
The only times I've ever felt the need to be violent with people (two separate times in my life) was when I couldn't get the "I want you to leave me alone" message through their thick skulls by any other means.
Except that diplomacy works 70% of the time, whereas violence works 100%.
This is like complaining that your car won't run, then standing on principle when somebody suggests you fill it up with gas. You can take the moral high ground all you want, but all you're doing is screwing yourself out of a perfectly valid strategy.
And your talk of "ignoring them" as a solution--I have never seen that work. Ever. "just ignore it" is a feel-good solution teachers tell you because they want you to stop making them deal with things.
>"just ignore it" is a feel-good solution teachers tell you because they want you to stop making them deal with things.
This is literally what a teacher once told me - because she too much other stuff on her hands at that moment, she said this because she didn't have the time to properly deal with the students.
So, I took the only logical option: I'd fuck with his brain.
For the next six weeks, I did sit-ups. Finally, my rolls of belly fat concealed a rippling set of abdominal muscles that would make any straight man gay as the day is long. The next time the prancing little Frenchman decided to punch me, I braced myself, and he ended up hurting his widdle fist, the tosser.
The moral of the story: any problem involving French people can be solved by gay men, muscles and soccer balls. I'm sort of forgetting why I'm posting this, but fuck it; it's late.
did he give you a handjob?
Oh yes, the body count argument. That ones fucked for a number of reasons.
First, violent atmospheres are doing humanity a favor. Most people don't really live unless they're on the threshold of death. That's why a lot of people in peaceful societies go out and find excitement by rock-climbing, hang gliding, doing drugs or any number of things that run the risk of accidental death. People just love living on the edge. The contrast it creates also allows them to enjoy the nicer things in life more (its no wonder that warlike societies tend to have a higher appreciation of art, in this case).
Second, A lot of those "thousands/millions" are probably causing suffering for someone, so if they wind up as corpses you're probably improving somebody else's life.
inb4 moral relativism.
Seriously, solving problems nonviolently is only fun if you have portal guns and robots to help smooth the way. If the world didn't have violence, poverty, death or hatred, it would be dull as dishwater.
Plus, we'd all get eaten by other, nastier things, so it helps that we're violent savages.