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"Cereza from Bayonetta is a loli"

TheConductorTheConductor
edited 2011-05-11 13:48:33 in General
No she's not you sick, sick, fuck. She's a child.

Look it's one (terribly disturbing) thing to be attracted to things that LOOK like children but are actually older, it's another to be attracted to "actual" children.

Comments

  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    IJBM: Using the term "loli" to refer to little girls in general.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    Language is a constantly evolving thing, Glenn. There is no "correct" usage of a language. Prescriptivism is stupid.

    On-Topic: I'm not sure what's so horrible about being attracted to a fictional child.
  • DYREDYRE
    I just think "loli" is a nice-sounding word.
  • nohaynicklibrenohaynicklibre
    Kichigai birthday!!
    I'm so surprised my eyeballs switched places
  • Old SaturnOld Saturn
    That was stupid, Chagen.
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-05-11 15:00:13
    But, fictional or not, it's a child, and that's just kind of creepy.

    ...Lion-o doesn't count as a child, does he?
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-05-11 17:36:45
    Has friends besides tanks now
    "There is no 'correct' usage of a language."

    That's . . . quite wrong. Just because people sometimes use words incorrectly doesn't mean we shouldn't correct them. Is it so bad to let words have consistent meanings?
  • Trash_VortexTrash_Vortex
    edited 2011-05-11 17:45:30
    What Glenn said is pretty much what I've been wanting to say.
  • DYREDYRE
    I really want to say something in response to the topic of this thread but I honestly dunno what to say.
  • Trash_VortexTrash_Vortex
    edited 2011-05-11 18:19:22
    Just say anything. Words don't have any meaning.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    ^ I'm not sure why, but that left me giggling uncontrollably.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    The cuckoo evaluates
    the knife. Why does a conscience foam opposite contentions? Will the
    memorable bird stock a budget? Contentions remedies husky. Husky refuses
    a clinic into the going barrel. Husky lodges a generalized magic past
    the stare.
  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    Is it so bad to let words have consistent meanings?


    If it causes people to act so goddamn high and mighty because someone clued them in on the pre-linguistic-decay usage of a word, then yes, it's a very bad thing.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-05-11 19:45:46
    Has friends besides tanks now
    Sorry if I came off as high and mighty. I suppose the "correcting them" bit was a little much, but I don't normally make a fuss over linguistic redirection. I was just off-put by the way Chuggles phrased his point. There's a fair basis for favoring a change in language, but it's not "prescriptivism is stupid", or "there is no 'correct' usage of a language", that's for damn sure.

    And whether or not some people come off as being smug for knowing the proper meanings of words, the point stands.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Looks like IJBM2 has had its first linguistic derail.

    This is an important milestone.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    ...you're telling me that we've never had one in all these time?

    ...

    really?
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Not that i remember.  Then again I don't check every thread every day, and I have more important things to memorize.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    -shrug- It just seems like a thing that all tropers do.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    " I was just off-put by the way Chuggles phrased his point. There's a fair basis for favoring a change in language, but it's not "prescriptivism is stupid", or "there is no 'correct' usage of a language", that's for damn sure."

    Uh.....there isn't a "correct" way to use a language's lexicon. While grammar is rather set in stone and inflexible, the lexicon of a language changes constantly. Language is not a static thing--it is constantly evolving.

    Words are nothing but sounds that are connected to something. There is nothing "house-ey" about the word "house". Or the word "casa", yet they mean the same thing. Likewise, "gift" in English means "a presebt given to someone"; "Gift" in German means "poison". They are pronounced nearly the same, yet mean two near-opposite things.

    While words do have rather regular meanings, sometimes words just evolve. "Nice" used to mean "mean/assholish". "Awful" once meant "full of awe". Words just change, and in today's heavily connected internet age, they probably change faster than they used to.

    That's what I was trying to say.
  • Old SaturnOld Saturn
    How about this? Correct things also change. Things can be correct one day, dead wrong the next. So right now at this moment? Duck means billed bird, stupid means not intelligent, and loli does not mean little girl, it means a person that LIKES little girls.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    Word tend to gain slang meanings related to their actual meanings, Saturn. "Loli" for "little girl" is a slang term.

    Also, I'm pretty sure "Lolicon" is the term for people who like little girls. "Loli" is now almost exclusively "little girl".

    You're promoting a viewpoint that stagnates language evolution.
  • Trash_VortexTrash_Vortex
    "Loli" is an objectifying term to me, at least. So I'd like to stagnate that particular evolution.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-05-12 12:46:17
    Has friends besides tanks now
    "That's what I was trying to say."

    Okay. That works. But I'll see about refuting some points anyway, so as to remain consistent.

    "There is nothing "house-ey" about the word "house". Or the word "casa", yet they mean the same thing."

     Even though there are, indeed, different terms for the same thing, they are not all correct in every situation because they belong to different languages.

    "Likewise, "gift" in English means "a present given to someone"; "Gift" in German means "poison"."

    Again, that's because they're different languages. Sounds and symbols connect to concepts differently in different languages; there isn't such a thing as universal correctness, but there are correct terms to be used in each separate language.

    ". . . the lexicon of a language changes constantly."

    That I'll grant, since it's true. But there is such a thing as short-term correctness, and the linguistic purist in me, while not lamenting the current lexicon, would simply prefer that people knew what the words they were using meant. That's my viewpoint.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > So I'd like to stagnate that particular evolution.

    And you have every right to do so.  And other people have every right to do the opposite.

    No, wait, it's not about rights.  No one has a right to do anything.  Let me rephrase.

    And you have the opportunity to do so, and other people have the opportunity to do the opposite.
  • DYREDYRE
    edited 2011-05-12 14:50:02
    EDIT: God damn you Chagen making 4 points in 3 lines and getting me all confused.
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