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If America implemented the "Frugal Crime Execution" Attitude...
like the ones most of the wanna-be heroes/paladins/edgy teenagers that you hear from on a regular basis talk about, how would America change for the better? What good can come from "purging the filth from the world" or "incinerating the garbage"?
Apparently these people completely trust Law Enforcement and the Government to execute the right people?
What good would come out of executing millions of criminals and people in jail, and making that the standard for punishment?
Apparently these people completely trust Law Enforcement and the Government to execute the right people?
What good would come out of executing millions of criminals and people in jail, and making that the standard for punishment?
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relevant: George Bernard Shaw on Fabian socialism and the death penalty.
What good can come from "purging the filth from the world" or "incinerating the garbage"?
Apparently these people completely trust Law Enforcement and the Government to execute the right people?
What good would come out of executing millions of criminals and people in jail, and making that the standard for punishment?
My guess would be little to no good. I agree that giving the government that much power could lead to pretty bad things (like detaining or executing political prisoners or just harming those one does not like such as those who have unpopular religions or habits). If you believe Death Note then I suppose one of those harms would be that the people in charge would start executing lazy people too.
I am not totally sure about this, but I think that part of this mentality comes from an extension of the "good guys vs. bad guys" approach to society. If you think that "bad guys" are just bad period and are thus irredeemable, I can see how you could mentally justify such an approach even if I still disagree with it.
I believe the reality of the situation is that it is generally possible to have some degree of rehabilitation and even if that is seemingly impossible for certain people, I think that human rights concerns should make people extra cautious about using the death penalty in such a way anyway.
Still, though, I don't think it's the punishment that needs to be ramped up; it's the certainty of punishment that needs to be made clear. I think that anyone getting convicted of a crime should be sentenced publicly, so that everyone can see their shame. That would be a better deterrence against crime than harsher sentences, I think.
Except you're still giving it.
Sorry, but for some reason I cannot quite understand what you mean by that. What is the "it" to which you are referring?
Hatter,
Some people deserve to be executed. Murderers, mostly. And if someone
gets convicted of a serious crime (like armed robbery or arson) multiple
times, I don't think it's fair to society to give them free food and
lodging for the rest of their lives. Exile or enslavement wouldn't be
overkill, I think.
I can probably get what you mean when you talk about free food and lodging, but I wonder how exile would even work. How would you make sure they were isolated enough from society to not harm people? Even if that is more of a theoretical idea, it seems more like dumping off a problem on someone else than fixing it to me.
As for enslavement, I am not really sure how that is proportional punishment or whatever, but I would like to hear how you could justify that as not being overkill given most countries' views on slavery these days. Slavery does seem like overkill to me personally, if only because I think that enslavement is disgusting and not something worthy of a human being. I also doubt that someone who fails to rehabilitate in prison would be able to behave as a slave, but I would never really want that to happen anyway.
I am more curious than anything about your idea of justice here. I hope I did not sound too harsh earlier.
You may have a point about certainty of punishment. I guess enforcement would still be a factor though. I doubt having public sentencing would do much good if many of the people who committed a crime still got away with it. Then again, I would guess that you probably support better enforcement too and I agree that harsher sentences may not necessarily be the answer here.
Do it for the children."it" is your opinion. It's great that you want to give your two cents
on the matter, but it's really not necessary to put a disclaimer on it.
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Apparently these people completely trust Law Enforcement and the Government to execute the right people?
What good would come out of executing millions of criminals and people in jail, and making that the standard for punishment?
"My guess would be little to no good."
Louie was saying that little to no good would come from these executions.
my views are stated pretty well at about 4:16
While I generally do not approve of malicious saw-like torture or anything that dehumanizes a person (no sexual slavery, eye-for-an-eye genital mutilation or regular drowning shit) but I do think that some measures should be taken against people who refuse to learn or refuse to try and improve.
The reaosn we do not deviate from that no cruel and unusual punishment thing that so many people seem to think is nonsense is because it is A. Not mentioend as a power of government in any article of the constitution. and B. strictly prohibited by the eighht amendment.
No I'm not high.