Politics.

Chagen

It's a giant cesspit of fuck and fail. Rarely is anything useful done, and things still are insane. Just looking at America, we have the really right wing party and the not so right wing party just bitching at each other. All they do is spit vitrol at each other, instead of trying to fix America. In the meanwhile, everyone keeps getting more and more radical, especially conservatives, who I don't even want to vote for when I used to support them. And the party system ensures that independents will never elected, given how campaigns are decided not by what you bring to the table, but how big of an ad budget you have. Expand this to the whole world, and things become a cesspit of insanity. You socialists, communists, capitalists, and other assorted adherents to economic philosophies, and no one knows who's right. You got third-world dictatorships, and you can't fix them because it'd cost too much money and man-hours. You got Europe possibly collasping under social policies, unrest in the middle east, Islamist theocracies screwing the middle east up too, and China might take over the world. Of course, government is needed. But things are just...no too good right now. It's painful to see the gravity of actions around the world. Knowing that people are going through shit while I sit hammering away at an ipod. Damn it. .....this got derailed in the OP. That's gotta be some kind of record.

TheConductor

Rarely is anything useful done? So I guess you want to be British, Chagen. Since the revolution was largely a politcal movement.

Tnu1138

Well put Chagen mind joining me and a couple friendsin startingourown country?

TheConductor

^ But that would be politcal.

Vorpy

Chagen

Politics can be good, but it seems that politics is almost always a cesspit of WTF decisions and people (GLENNNNN BEEEEEECCKKKKKKK!!!!!)

Tnu1138

what is the dealwith Glenn Beck anyway I havn't see much of his stuff but what is so contemptable?

Chagen

He's a fucking crazy wing nut. Seems to be religious as well.

Vorpy:This is a serious thread, stop shitposting. I used to like you but now you just seem to be a nuisance.

Vorpy

It's a giant cesspit of fuck and fail. Rarely is anything useful done, and things still are insane.
Insane? Define insane.


Just
looking at America, we have the really right wing party and the not so
right wing party just bitching at each other. All they do is spit vitrol
at each other, instead of trying to fix America.
durr hurr i'm strawmannin lol


In the meanwhile,
everyone keeps getting more and more radical, especially conservatives,
who I don't even want to vote for when I used to support them.
Not all conservatives are crazy.

And the
party system ensures that independents will never elected, given how
campaigns are decided not by what you bring to the table, but how big of
an ad budget you have.
And there is nothing wrong with that. It's the voters fault for falling for it.


Expand this to the whole world, and
things become a cesspit of insanity. You socialists, communists,
capitalists, and other assorted adherents to economic philosophies, and
no one knows who's right.
durr hurr im strawmannin lol

You got third-world dictatorships, and you
can't fix them because it'd cost too much money and man-hours.
don't fix them, let them ruin/better their own country.

 You got
Europe possibly collasping under social policies, unrest in the middle
east, Islamist theocracies screwing the middle east up too, and China
might take over the world.
You live in Europe and would know this? You know what DEM SILLY ISLAMISTS ARE PLOTTING TOO? AND CHINA WILL TAKE OVER?

Of course, government is needed. But things are just...no too good right now.
That's subjective.

.....this got derailed in the OP. That's gotta be some kind of record.
Nope.avi

FrodoGoofballCoTV

The trouble with politicians is that we select them for the ability to get elected, not for what they're supposed to be doing.

The reason I became a libertarian (well, strictly speaking, a "freedom lover", not a true libertarian - I only want to get rid of ~50% of government, not 90%) is I agree with Chuggles that politics is a necessary evil. So I'd rather maximize the necessary and minimize the evil by doing away with what isn't absolutely necessary.

Chagen

.....

Vorpy, you're becoming her again. I liked you much better when you could talk seriously about things. When you had a personality besides lolshitposting.

You're no fun anymore.

TheConductor

If you're calling politics evil, then you don't understand what it is.

 

Is water evil because people drown in it? Are dogs evil because some of them bite? NO!

All Nines

^^ >implying Vorpy's responses have no point to them and are there merely to bug you.

Chagen

I did not call politics evil. I said that it does seem to cause a lot of problems if abused or misused, but it is neccesary and can do great things with good people leading it.

Tnu1138

I'm a pure Libertarian myself left and right libertarianism don't make sense to me as they seam tomiss the point.

Chagen

Agreed with Tnu. Both parties have good ideas. Compromising would be good, but they're turning into flat-out caricatures of themselves now...

Tnu1138

maybe compremise isn't the best word in my opinion. it's compremise that got5 us to where we are today if we compremise anymore we won't have anything left to compremise.

Sammy

Yo dawg, I heard you like politics, so I put a compromise in your compromise so you can compromise while you compromise.

Tnu1138

at this point the only thing we're compromising is our liberty.


There you fucking happy now?

Sammy

"we'rcompremisingt isour"

This one is going into my WoW slashfic.

LouieW

Chagen,
Rarely is anything useful done, and things still are insane.

I think some (arguably) useful stuff does get done, but I can agree that sometimes people try too hard to score political points.  I would argue that polarization has increased as of late as well so in that respect I agree with what you said about everyone becoming more and more radical.

As for what you said about ad budgets, I can understand your point there, but I would like to think the issue is a bit complex than that. After all, I believe a candidate's supposed ability to govern plays into how many donations he or she receives and thus how big that candidate's ad budget is. Also, I think that people tend to be pretty cynical when it comes to political ads so I see their effects as being somewhat limited for many people. If you are worried about that kind of thing though, maybe you should try advocating for public financing of all elections. Some argue that that kind of system helps to decrease the importance of money in elections.

Of course, your mileage may vary on whether or not that is a good thing.

In regards to your second point, I wish I had a good answer, but I do not, sorry. I can relate to feeling like your own issues are quite minor compared to those of the rest of the world though. You may be different, but that kind of thing makes me feel rather guilty.

FrodoGoofballCoTV,
The trouble with politicians is that we select them for the ability to get elected, not for what they're supposed to be doing.

The
reason I became a libertarian (well, strictly speaking, a "freedom
lover", not a true libertarian - I only want to get rid of ~50% of
government, not 90%) is I agree with Chuggles that politics is a
necessary evil. So I'd rather maximize the necessary and minimize the
evil by doing away with what isn't absolutely necessary.

I wonder how one could encourage leaders to focus on good policy making without making the system less democratic. Perhaps that would require people to be more informed about the issues in order to increase accountability.

The solution you bring up is certainly one possible solution, but I have heard some liberals critique it as making the government work worse by taking away the resources it needs.

Anyway, I do not know too much about this kind of thing (even if I am interested in it), so it probably is a good idea to not value my opinion very highly here.