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  • Cygan! I didn't expect to see you here. Nice to see another face forom the other Fora.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I've been here a long while, dude.
  • When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Eh, a little, lying, a little pen stealing, wudduya know people distrust you? 
  • I have only been here for a short while working on self-improvement so I may one day get back  to TV Tropes I miss it so much.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > and a good number of Republicans were anti-slavery if memory serves me right and it'snot somuch of a reversal as it is a merge.
    > Well, what I meant was back in those days, Democrats were the party for protecting state rights while Republicans were the party that epitomized national power--thanks to Abe Lincoln. Nowadays, Republicans are more likely to champion state rights while Democrats focus more on the national.
    > ^^ That's because back then Republicans were the Democrats and the Democrats were the Republicans. Then it flip flopped sometime in the early 20th century.

    Yeah, something like that.

    Republicans were first pro-industry back in th 1800s, while the Democrats were pro-South and pro-agriculture.  At the time of the Civil War and for several decades following that, Republicans were the liberal and progressive party while Democrats were the socially conservative party, though on the economics front Dems did have more populist candidates.

    Then progressivism was born in the early 1900s, and progressive Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt became the coolest thing ever.  However, big-business Republicans and progressive Republicans began to split apart, causing Teddy to run as a Bull Moose candidate in 1912 and giving Dems the presidency with Woodrow Wilson.

    With that split, progressives gradually and slowly drifted from the Republicans to the Democrats, while Republicans became the big-business-and-prosperity party of the Roaring Twenties--which came back to bite them in the ass badly when the Great Depression happened.  That ushered in a period of Democratic dominance that lasted pretty much until the Truman administration after World War II ended.

    So, basically, the Republicans gradually became more economically conservative, but ALL DURING THIS TIME the Democrats actually somehow kept social conservatives, social liberals, and economic liberals (populists) together in a coalition.  Ever heard of the term "Solid South"?  Well, it used to refer to how the South voted overwhelmingly Democratic.  This started before the Civil War and kept on going until the 1960s, in part because tradition dictated that they ought to be still pissed at Lincoln and his "Radical Republicans" for defeating the Confederacy.  They've been socially conservative for a long time, and they still are.

    But what happened to turn the Solid Democratic South into the Solid Republican South?  Well, the Democratic Party became increasingly socially progressive, and the coalition finally shattered when Lyndon Johnson got the Civil Rights Act passed.  Republicans seized the opportunity to pick up the social conservatives into their coalition, and with the number of racists in the South at the time (y halo thar George Wallace), the southern states all flipped Republican almost overnight.  In Johnson's words, "I think we just delivered the South to the Republicans for a long time to come."

    And that's why the Democrats are the progressives/liberals/populists and the Republicans are the conservatives/reactionaries.

    In other news, I've got something I'm cooking up for this thread.  But for this purpose, I need Central Avenue's and Anonymous User's help: What's the font used on Realtor.com on listing search results where it says "Brokered by [name]"?
  • Master Guardian of the Passive Voice
    But of course, nowadays progressive/liberal vs. conservative/reactionary, in terms of race relations, have more to do with issues like affirmative action than they do about things like segregation or such.
  • This is Politics we are talking about. Truth goes to die there.

    Is probably my new favorite quote on politics.
  • that was a very nice lecture but why is it assumed that you can't be socialy liberal and not be a Populist?
  • edited 2011-04-18 12:33:14
    Master Guardian of the Passive Voice

    It's assumed because of the two-party political system. :-)


    EDIT: I think most of us voters pick the issue(s) we care most about, vote for the party that agrees with us in that area, and just grit our teeth in frustration through all the rest.

  • Because you never know what you might see.
    I could swear I've heard the Republicans using populist rhetoric.

    >What's the font used on Realtor.com on listing search results where it says "Brokered by [name]"?


    Is it not just Arial?
  • Meh both parties are full of Statist worms anyway. No offense to worms.
  • edited 2011-04-18 12:41:51
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    It's slightly wider than 7-point Arial.

    Central Avenue source-dived and found that they just smash Arial (or Helvetica if you have it), so it's not exact.

    ^ What do you mean by Statist?

    Or worms, for that matter?
  • edited 2011-04-18 12:42:20
    Because you never know what you might see.
    ^^ Of course they're Statist.  If they weren't, they wouldn't get in.  Anarchism and Anarcho-Capitalism are not popular ideologies, relatively speaking.
  • I don't understand why what is the advantage of  bigger government turning eveyrthing into an Orwellian Future?
  • Because you never know what you might see.
    Bigger than what?  Government is a tool.  Both parties are in favour of a government just large enough to achieve their ends.

    And neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are going to turn everything into an Orwellian future.  I don't believe either of them intends to at present, anyway, nor do they have the means.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    1. What does "big government" mean anyway?
  • Because you never know what you might see.
    "Bigger than I want it to be".
  • edited 2011-04-18 12:50:42
    Master Guardian of the Passive Voice

    ^^^^ I'll point out again that the American Civil War ended in a victory for the statist, bigger-government-supporting Union. And it didn't exactly end in an Orwellian dystopia. At least not for the former slaves, compared to what they would've experienced otherwise. :-D

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Okay, how does one measure the size of government?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Kilobranches.
  • When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Decapork. 
  • Writer, Artist, Obscure.
    Well It depends. If you're a conservative you measure it in KiloNazis and if you're a liberal you measure it in KiloMarxes.
  • Master Guardian of the Passive Voice
    ^ Be even, now. It's either KiloNazis and KiloStalinists, or its KiloFascists and KiloMarxists. :-D
  • edited 2011-04-18 18:01:27
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Marxism has more to do with Socialism than Fascism has to do with Conservatism.

    Wait, misread, you said liberal, not socialist.  OK, that makes sense.
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