The Nazi Thread

ninjaclown

If you build a robot army, and command them to wipe out a village, is it your fault even though you didn't personally pull a trigger?

Yes. Yes it is.

Vorpy

Except the Nazis were not robots, they were human beings.

Via, the Nazis and Hitler killed six million jews.

Bob

^^I never implied that it wasn't.

BaronGrackle

^^ Increasing their responsibility doesn't diminish his.

ninjaclown

Sorry if I sounded anal about this, but you have to understand Hitler did this out of hatred. Not misunderstanding.

Bob

'S alright. Sorry for getting into semantics in situations that don't really call for it.

...Also, technically, the trigger part at the end of the robot analogy could be taken out of context with someone arguing that someone using a gun means that the gun, not the person holding the gun, is killing whoever is being shot, but...

ninjaclown

XD

Bob

I wasn't trying to argue that Hitler did it out of misunderstanding. I think it's quite obvious he was an angry, hateful, aggressive man. I was just pointing out an argument I had heard before. Even the kids that go out and shoot schools and whatnot, they aren't killing out of misunderstanding. Maybe it was originally an issue of misunderstanding, but it turned into hatred and anger that they demonstrated in a really horrible way.

Also, off-topic, but yay I made someone laugh!

(Also, sorry if I sound really stupid or awkward. My brain hasn't been cooperating with me lately.)

Vorpy

@ Baron

Yes, increasing theirs does not diminish his because they all did it, not just one man.

Nyarly

I feel reminded of things like "Hitler wasn't all that bad, without him, highways wouldn't exist." Even if one ignores that this is bullshit (highways existed before Nazi Germany, after all), I have no idea how this could ever outweigh a genocide.

vacasama

I could name a few things that Hitler did that can be considered "good", like restoring that German sense of pride that got it's ass kicked by WWI and it's aftermath, the Autobahn, and Volkswagen.  That gets overshadowed by WWII and the Holocaust.

BaronGrackle

^ If Nazi Germany had somehow cured cancer by torturing/experimenting on some of the Jews it didn't kill, then it'd still be evil. The lives it saved would've weighed against the lives it arbitrarily took, both at the time of its existence and as its hatred spread to new generations. And plus, there is that thread about how most things get discovered anyway.

Khwarizmi

He was a murderous nutcase, a horrendous bigot and, among other things, a really shitty military leader.  He might have restored Germany's sense of pride, but by the time the war ended even many of his former supporters were sick of him.

Vorpy

Is it possible to make this or is this a joke picture? (SFW unless Hitler Origami layouts are not appropriate for work)

Bob

^^In addition, I'm sure many of his supporters who got dragged along felt really shitty afterwards. Not to mention how many Germans are still having trouble living it down. Hell, I know a guy that practically starts crying whenever someone mentions anything nazi-related.