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The Nazi Thread

VorpyVorpy
edited 2011-04-14 23:02:21 in General
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Let's discuss Nazi's here, and all of the good and bad things they have done.

Can nazis ever bee redeemed?
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  • KomodinKomodin
    The Sonic Series Wiki Curator of TvTropes
    ... You've got to be fucking kidding me.
  • VorpyVorpy
    edited 2011-04-14 18:18:10
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Nope Komodin. People have told me they were not in the complete wrong all of the time.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ಠ_ಠ

    Well, admittedly, the "not being happy about how WW1 ended" bit's quite reasonable. 
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Individual Nazis may have been good people; just ones caught in a bad position.

    As a political party, I don't think there's any way to salvage it.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^The party did have some ideas that weren't pure evil. It doesn't redeem them in the slightest, but they did.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    ^ This isn't the "why did the Nazis have to be evil, they were so progressive" thing, is it?  Because if so, fuck that.  I don't think you could redeem their philosophy in any circumstances; it was rotten to the core.

    But yeah, some individual Nazis may have been OK.  Erwin Rommel seems to have been a pretty cool guy.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2011-04-14 19:39:32
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^As I said, it doesn't redeem them, but I mean that the Nazis did, on occasion, take an action that wasn't evil. Stuff like founding Volkswagen so that more people could afford cars. Nothing ideological or anything.
  • randomtropeloserrandomtropeloser
    I don't like nazism in general, but Dr. Richtofen is absolutely wunderbar!
  • snowbullsnowbull
    Cue-bey
    This thread makes me uncomfortable.
  • KomodinKomodin
    The Sonic Series Wiki Curator of TvTropes
    Ditto.
  • DebossDeboss
    You know who liked to bring up Nazis?  Hitler.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Yeah, and he is dead.
  • KomodinKomodin
    The Sonic Series Wiki Curator of TvTropes
    ... Or, is he?
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Well it's nearly impossible unlikely for another Hitler to rise into power since most countries are savvy enough to know that they don't want something like that happening again?

    What ARE other countries' stances on the Holocaust anyway? the only stance I've heard is North America's.
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-04-14 22:59:11
    I can't help but feel a little for people who got wrapped in the nazi party and seriously regretted it later. At the same time, I think that's one of the only times I can feel sorry for someone and find them repulsive at the same time.

    Also, not that big a deal, but the thread title probably could've done without the swastikas. It makes it look like a joke thread to me for some reason. A really awful, fucked up joke thread.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Okay, removed.
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    The only Nazi dudes I can think of that can be considered good are John Rabe and Oskar Schindler.
  • BobBob
    Didn't Schindler just associate with Nazis without being one himself?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    You might have a point there.  I do know John Rabe was a Nazi at Nanking when the Japanese army came in.  If you're well versed in the Second Sino-Japanese War you would know what I'm talking about.
  • BobBob
    I know that he was a Nazi. The whole point is that he used his status in the Nazi party to try to stop or at least delay the massacre, yes?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    He did try but at best he managed to make a safety zone.  He even tried asking Hitler to get the Japanese to stop the carnage but that went unheeded.
  • ninjaclownninjaclown
    Because he doesn't care what happens to the Chinese, or the east in general., All that mattered was the extermination.
  • BaronGrackleBaronGrackle
    Master Guardian of the Passive Voice
    Let's be honest here. It would be ridiculously difficult to commit 100% evil actions. Hitler wakes up in the morning and eats a pancake. BAM! Not evil, for the moment. :)
  • BobBob
    There's a very distinct difference between good and neutral / "not evil".
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Except Hitler wasn't actively taking part in killing the millions of people that the Nazis did. He didn't go to the camps and shoot a whole line of them or torture hundreds of them by hand. His commands led to the evil deeds. I am not sure if he DID actually participate in the execution or torture of some of his prisoners, but I am sure that he was not 100% pure evil by his own hands. Without the Nazi Party...he wouldn't have really been undeniably evil. (subjective)
  • BaronGrackleBaronGrackle
    edited 2011-04-15 00:08:14
    Master Guardian of the Passive Voice

    ^^ He also had a dog. He pet it. :)


    ^ Umm... I haven't read ALL of Mein Kampf, but I've heard enough quotes. I've read enough speeches. Hitler was pretty much the driving force of Jew killing.

  • BobBob
    edited 2011-04-15 00:07:27
    ^^No one's really 100% evil.

    [/semanticsandbullshit]

    With that out of the way, I'm sure some people could / do argue that he was just misunderstood or something like that, and that in perspective his actions weren't so bad, like how people take the side of a bullied kid shooting everyone at their school.

    ^And later killed it, if the rumor is to be believed.
  • ninjaclownninjaclown
    He's a dipshit. That's all I need to know. I don't care he sometimes eats bagels or petted a dog at one point at his life, he still killed six million jews.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    ....he and the Nazis killed six million jews.
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-04-15 00:15:26
    ^^Well, not "killed" so much as "was responsible for the killing of", but, same difference.

    ^Yeah, that, I guess.
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