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Thoughts on the Zoe Quinn controversy, "Gamergate", the "death of gamer culture", etc.
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inorite, the -stalinism part was a given, I'd have come up with something other than the castro- part, somebody socialists unanymously pretend doesn't have to do with them, but the others didn't ring well as a prefix, so...
As for the other stuff, may I suggest using a different name for not-quite-socialism when the context is about ordinary socialism.
Unanimously? Hardly. Say want you want about the guy, and there's a lot you can say against him, but life expectancy and literacy in Cuba are among the highest in the Americas, and they have some pretty good medical research over there. Would you rather Cuba have remained the USA's Pleasure Island under Batista?
Anarchism is as much a part of socialist history as Marxism. Same with Canada's NDP. To say otherwise would be revisionist.
That's what I said, I'd have come up with somebody who does get the generalized not-really-socialist treatment.
And yes, I'd have much preferred Batista. Ignoring the issue of national-personal matters and the Castro's longevity, he wasn't totalitarian, social movility still existed there, freedom to do basic stuff such (e.g. owning a boat), poverty wasn't generalized, and with the lack of an autonomous civil society, nowadays Cuba is farther from becoming a democracy than it was during the 50s. Their healthcare system is nice, but the bad outweight the good.
Anyhow, ultimately Batista being terrible doesn't make the Castro good or acceptable.
*shrug* fine, but don't get angry when I bring it up in this specific context.
At least I now know how far apart we are on the political spectrum. I just think Castro's legacy is too mixed for "good" or "evil" labels.
By all means, be anti-socialist. I don't find it particularly constructive, but as long as we can come up with some solution to capitalism's ills, simple labels don't matter.
I think I can comfortably say that this thread is now completely over my head.
I'm curious as to why you think so.
Personally, I've been growing fond of the importance of NGOs and other forms of civil organization for tackling such issues.
You know what's funny? People are outraged when Anita Sarkeesian admits to not being a gamer but are totally fine with Milo Yiannopoulos never having played a game in his life until now.
Who's Milo Yiannopoulos?
The guy from Breitbart who wrote two articles on GamerGate. Also co-wrote this piece of wingnuttery.
Why is anything from Breitbart considered even worth two shits
Not deep enough.
>gingers are jews
>jews are semites
>arabs are semites
>thus, of course they ally
Hey, he streamed himself playing Portal 2. That's more game reasearch than anita has ever done. Also, he got a boost in popularity thanks to being a Gay Catholic Conservatve, Doubleplusgood points(meaning he also represents one of those non cishet while male mysoginists, if only by not being het.). And his article was one of the few articles not condemning gamers. However slanted his perspective. If you complain about them right wing nuts, you should find left wingers or centrist to right articles about gamergate.
Getting back to capitalism for a bit, defining your identity around a consumer product is pretty lame, hence why I dislike the term "gamer" and being associated with it even though I love video games. That being said, I wonder if film buffs go through this kind of melodrama.
Film geeks do sometimes have to deal with some pretty toxic shit, such as the backlash to Heimdall being black in Thor.
However, I don't think it's done to nearly the same degree as games because games are still in that awkward transitional phase between niche and mainstream hobby.
Yes, but only film aficionados invested in the superhero genre care about Thor. Actually, that's another thing that annoys me about the "gamer" label: how it homogenizes all those disparate kinds of players into one. So when I heard about some Bill Clinton-esque scandal involving an indie dev I barely know about, at first, I was like, how does this affect me and why should I care? Implying, as GamerGate has done, that this should be a big deal to me as a person who plays video games is like saying that being an American means you have to be a raving hyper-individualistic gun-obsessed Tea Party lunatic.
You should care because of CORRUPTION
Really though it's all identity politics.
It's all about Streissand Effect. If someone had made it clear that the sex scandal meant nothing, instead of passing it up, then the conspiracy nutjobs wouldn't have been raving up such a large group of people.
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THIS. All of this should wouldn't have ever blown up to the extent it did had there not been such a concerted effort on Reddit to shut down absolutely everything relating to it.
Hell, I despise Reddit witch hunts as much as anyone (just look at what they did with the Boston Bombings), but there is one thing that gets Reddit really, really angry, it's "mod censorship", and Reddit's anger often carries out into the broader websphere due to the site's sheer enormity.
And it's precisely because of this shit that we have genuine grade-A bigots with #GamerGate.
On defining your identity by a commercial product: everything is commodified nowadays anyway. Just look at the Buzzfeedification of identity politics, so often labels used as social currency, which is monetized by (social) media. I'd rather identify with a consumer product with some piracy and remix culture thrown into the mix than deriding this identity while barfing out clickbait, pledge drives and other fund-me-being-an-ineffective-provocateur crap.
Even the face of marxism isn't immune to this with its superstar academics, overpriced books and seminars and inevitable crony materialism once in power in the movement: http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/selected/asfuck.php (see how this article in itself also piles on the romanticism of charity activism and endless need for self-fulfillment)
Also, rerailing:
All this thread lacks now is Alex bumping in and preaching the virtues of SWORDSSWORDSSWORDS feudalism.
Welp.
If we're discussing fictional analogies, one day, I want to see (or make) an Ace Attorney case creator version of the saga. Having Cornered play during a scene revealing 4chan's IRC chat would be priceless.
Actually, what is the standard OBJECTION! to that evidence? I would have thought the IRC chat would have ended the case right then and there, but apparently it's still going.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that the actual chat log didn't come from 4chan, I think it might have been started by Internet Aristocrat (A.K.A. the guy I linked) since the IRC shares the same name as his "five guys" video series.
But yeah, it's shit like this that makes me unable to take #GamerGate seriously. As much as I do agree that there are a lot of people who resort to some seriously slimy tactics on the "other side", I can't say I'm willing to overlook that shit when it happens on #GamerGate.
Are 1984 comparisons the new Godwin's Law?
Actually, I've been wondering for a while now, is GamerGate about Zoe Quinn or not? While people like to say that it's more than Quinnghazi (and I'd like to think so too), most of the discussion is tied to the manufactroversy.
And what do you mean by "other side"? Just because the Sea Shepard Society acts unethically when dealing with whalers doesn't mean we shouldn't be protecting whales from going extinct.
Dramatis personae for the Phoenix Drive case:
Guy Meers, a Belgian victim of a murder, arcade game designer and husband to Deepa.
Deepa Rest, an Indian girl programmer accused of half-finishing a murder-suicide to her husband due to her rampant instability.
Nick Beard, a pimply twentysomething arcade enthusiast still living with his mom, who coördinated a series of death threats to the couple after their latest arcade game suddenly stars a female protagonist. Seeming culprit. Spaghetti spills from his pocket when he breaks during the cross-examination.
Prof. Voke, a female academic and friend of Deepa who constantly bitches about how arcade gamers are violent cavemen. Provides vital clues, but her theories on the actual culprit always reach the wrong conclusion.
Lex Change, a swarthy stockholder vying for the rights to the IP, and the actual culprit. Heavily gins up falsified evidence to proof Nick Beard is the actual killer and is constantly followed around by a flock of press because he milks all the publicity he can out of the case.
No seriously, InsanityAddict, tell us how you really feel about social justice warriors. You seem awfully invested for a guy who previously said you don't play video games anymore.
The IRC log is not truly conclusive evidence. The responses and the timestamps tell only that they were commenting on the fact that someone made the NotYourShield hashtag(this someone was in no way affiliated with the "conspirators"). And that someone said that Alec Balwin was supposed to be involved, when Adam Baldwin made the original GamerGate hashtag.
^Read the Futrelle binge upthread, the 4chinz didn't organize everything but they certainly tried to control big parts of it.
^^I'm a fan of drama as long as it doesn't go stale, conspiracy theories and pop culture references, and this particular thread has all three. If you find my lampooning of different sides not fair and balanced, do tell so(live-at-home neckbeard and da-J00s-did-it vs. lampooning two SJW figureheads seems that to me).
(On that note, I can't remember the last popular series I actually watched instead of browsing just the wiki and the fanblogs)
Depends on who you ask. Sometimes they do raise legitimate points, such as the IGF thing I mentioned earlier (there was an article about how Phil Fish might be being investigated by the FBI, but that was quickly taken down), and Polygon doing such sleazy things as capitalizing on a real-life tragedy for clicks, or Destiny being embargoed from reviewers by the publisher until after it launches to avoid negative press.
But then you get the people who are trying to turn it into an "anti-SJW" movement, which seems to be somewhat inseparable from the goal of "journalistic ethics." I do believe that GamerGate does have some legitimacy, but that legitimacy is being actively undermined by its secondary (and in some cases even primary) agenda.