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The map territory thing rationalists are obsessed with

MyrmidonMyrmidon
edited 2013-03-26 22:54:57 in Philosophy

It's basically "Hey! Correspondence theory of truth! be amazed by my insight"

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  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I have no idea what map territory thing you are talking about.

  • FormaldehydeFormaldehyde
    You should make a thread called "The Myrmidon Thread" where you can post all the contextless, inane, one-sentence OPs you want.
  • KrakenKraken
    Basically it's a metaphor, that a map or a diagram does not exactly represent the territory or principle, but is the closest thing we can come up with until we know or can imagine better.
  • lrdgcklrdgck
    "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    You know what, Myrm is like reverse Alex. While one will argue for his point in too many words, the other will in too few.

  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    man it's almost like Myrmidon uses this website for its intended purpose or something.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    This site has not really been about things that bug you for a long time.

  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    edited 2013-03-27 11:01:06
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    Well, that's what I use it for (sometimes). And I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to. He's not doing anything wrong.


    Besides, he's at least trying to contribute, as opposed to the deluge of people who come into half the threads he makes and basically tell him to shut up.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I don't really care what Myrmidon uses the site for and I don't want to tell Myrmidon to shut up. I just think that saying that the forum's "intended purpose" is to talk about things that bug you is silly.

  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    Point taken I guess but the site is called "It Just Bugs Me".

  • DYREDYRE

    Yes but even when It Just Bugs Me was a board on TV Tropes nobody really actually used it to talk about things that bugged them.

  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    I will calmly direct you to the trilogy of topics I have made about mint flavoring.

  • FormaldehydeFormaldehyde
    Nobody is telling him to shut up. People are telling him to do the exact opposite of that.

  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    Kraken explained it fine though


     

  • FormaldehydeFormaldehyde
    It's a good thing Kraken's explanation went back into the past and attached itself to the OP so nobody felt they had to say anything.
  • KrakenKraken

    I am good at the time-loops.

  • OctoOcto
    I don't even call it violence when it's in self defence; I call it intelligence.

    Hey now, obscurantist references can be fun...


    ...though granted, Myr has not actually said just what bugs him about "The map is not the territory".

  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)

    I think it's pretty obvious that what he's bugged by is that people on LW think that "the map is not the territory" is a profound insight.

  • MyrmidonMyrmidon

    Before Yudkowsky, people thought they could get rid of inconvenient mountain ranges through use of an eraser.

  • InsanityAddictInsanityAddict
    Diet NEET

    Has an aspect of representation shapes reality. Profoundly relativist.


    In a meta-example, the thread makes us perceive postmodernism as willfully vague nonsense and needless deconstruction of Captain Obvious notions. Furthermore, since we can never be sure if OP does this on purpose, or is annoyed by the rationalists creating this perception, it embodies the multiplicity and uncertainty of said school.


    Or am I overanalyzing this stuff?

  • OctoOcto
    I don't even call it violence when it's in self defence; I call it intelligence.

    Well, looking what problems some border in the world which were simply drawn on a map can make, there is actually a very practical application of that saying. The same holds true for all issues where the saying stands for symbolically, so... yeah, actually the people upholding that saying do have a point. People all too often only look at the abstractions and only work with them, instead of what is behind them.

  • MyrmidonMyrmidon

    Surely it's more of a reminder than an insight, than.

  • OctoOcto
    I don't even call it violence when it's in self defence; I call it intelligence.

    Still a reminder you need to formulate first. Kinda an "Egg of Columbus" kind of thing, I guess.

  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Yes but even when It Just Bugs Me was a board on TV Tropes nobody really actually used it to talk about things that bugged them.


    I did.


     


    And I still don't know what the point of this thread is.

  • IronweaverIronweaver
    if u do convins fashist akwaint hiz faec w pavment neway jus 2 b sur

    LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even made a thread for you BASTARDS! LEAVE MYRMIDON ALONE... Please.

  • FuschlatzFuschlatz
    edited 2013-03-27 21:10:05
    A Mind You Do NOT Want To Read

    ^ ...seriously? 5 and a half years after that video was first uploaded?

  • OctoOcto
    I don't even call it violence when it's in self defence; I call it intelligence.

    A classic!

  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)

    remember when "all your base" was a thing

  • saladofstonessaladofstones
    I told you a hundred times Seibah, I don't want you in my pool

    Remember when you couldn't triforce.

  • OctoOcto
    I don't even call it violence when it's in self defence; I call it intelligence.

    Remember when the hat was yours?


    ...okay, obscure, but it was my first meme!

  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Remember when Kilroy was around?

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