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Wait you two disagree about moe?
What's there to disagree about with moe? He's ugly and stupid, that's it.
Malk likes it and I presume Alex doesn't.
Remember that time we three argued about whether Batman and Wolverine were moe? good times.
Yeah, though I do think some of Alex's concerns are valid.
^Truly IJBM's finest moment.
I would like moe more if it was just an art style as opposed to a genre, which it now somehow is.
I don't really have a problem with moe as a genre since it also refers to the way characters act.
I don't have a problem with it being a way characters act.
I have a problem with a way characters act being a genre.
moe as a genre is "cute girls doing cute things".
It seems to be a pretty recent trend too, since moe used to refer to things like LuckyStar, which is a comedy, or iyashikei, which is kind of its own thing.
Moe was never an art style and it isn't even a way characters act and it certainly isn't a genre. It's a description applied to characters because of the emotions they invoke in the audience which may or may not be because of a particular person's preference for certain character design or personality traits (i.e. tsundere moe). Anime/manga/games that largely focus on moe characters would generally be more accurately described as bishoujo anime/manga/games.
Also like all anime people call "moe" as a genre description are just comedies that happen to have cute girls because marketability.
I dispute the presence of comedy in things like Hidamari Sketch.
That's subjective though.
Anyway I'd argue that marketing usually defines what is and isn't a genre anyway.
>I have a problem with a way characters act being a genre.
So you have problems with 'superhero' and 'romance' being a genre? Because those are also genres defined by the way people act.
I'm pretty sure superhero fiction isn't defined by the way people act, actually.
Neither's romance, for that matter. People act in many different manners in romance.
I think you can argue that the difference with superheroes is that the genre is defined more by actions than personality, as far as "the way people act" is concerned.
^^And people act in many different ways in moe fiction.
Generally speaking superhero fiction is defined by actions: i.e. people with improbably powers fighting evildoers.
^This is true, but also keep in mind that these shows are generally supposed to be slow-paced and light-hearted comedies rather than big bombastic showings. Really, what we tend to call 'moe' is just a subset of comedy.
Considering as how I'm pretty sure most 'moe shows' are actually comedy/slice of life shows with a moe aesthetic, this argument's kinda pointless anyway.
Which- hey!- is what CU was saying.
Okay so is this one of those things where it's really just a semantics argument?
No, I am pretty sure that it's an entirely different argument from what you were thinking.
Anyway, moe is still not a genre because I still have no clue what the hell people actually mean when they say "moe anime" other than that it usually includes K-ON! and doesn't include Cowboy Bebop.
(well, usually people mean "laid-back comedies where all the characters are cute girls and are made strictly after either Azumanga Daioh or Aria, depending on which if any of those I liked (oh, and also anything by KyoAni but not Full Metal Panic)" but that hardly defines a genre)
(okay, I'll stop getting annoyed about people using phrases I don't like now)
1. I think the moë genre, if it can be called such, consists of cutedorable animé girls being cute and vulnerable and eliciting sympathy from the audience the way a little child would. This category seems to include K-On!, the Key Three (Air, Clannad, and Kanon), Sketchbook, and various other shows that generally contain characters (almost exclusively female) filling the role of the cute little thing(s) you (are supposed to) sympathize with, generally drawn with childlike demeanor and appearance, including huge, expressive eyes, and which also generally don't contain much in the way of action or darker themes.
TLDR: cutedorable anime girls being cutedorable.
2.
Perhaps the root of all "first-world problems". Note that this rarely happens...explicitly. It's more of a "taking things for granted without thinking about them" problem. And of course, parenting is a big factor in whether this happens or not.
3. I don't like Angry Video Game Nerd's style, though I agree he backs his arguments up with reasoning. I have not seen Nostalgia Critic much at all so I have no idea what he's like. As far as I can tell he seems to review works that I don't consume, so we've failed to cross paths.
Bittenfeld likes moe, so it can't be all that bad.
That being said, it doesn't appeal to me as a "main dish" but a little moe in an otherwise moe-free series can be nice to have.
^ Thar we go.
The more context appears about this Wong guy, the more hilarious the article becomes.
>"rally against entitled youths", a useless story that pops up throughout history all the way back to Socrates
>uses speech by corporate fat cat figure to lambast a crowd experiencing the butt end of a crisis that sort of figure is to blame for-even casts these figures as doing honest, hard work
>pre-emptively bashes the target demographic for not being able to take criticism while 1/3 of the article pre-emptively whines about the critical comments it will generate
>constantly ensures us that he knows what he's talking about "because he used to be like that"-except that he still is like that: an entitled youth with his noggin up his own rectum, someone who is rectumravaged that people aren't satisfied with what he gives to them in the shape of article content(in the same article were he tells people that's just how society works) and can't tune out the noise of a goddamn internet comment section
tl;dr-the article is one long exercise in self-hatred
Guys, I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.
David Wong and Moe Anime.
My views on moe are definitely negative but not intensely so. Shows like Kanon strike me as incredibly sexist and stupid to boot, but I can tolerate the art style associated with it under some circumstances.
Anyway, what Alex said about Wong's article hits the nail on the head.
I have a specific objection to Kanon's style, along with similar styles, whose characters have face structures that fall into an uncanny valley.
^ Indeed.
I think Kanon's prime problem is having odd bug creatures rather than people.
Though I can't hate because it gave us the 'Am I cute? Uguuuuu!' meme.