If you have an email ending in @hotmail.com, @live.com or @outlook.com (or any other Microsoft-related domain), please consider changing it to another email provider; Microsoft decided to instantly block the server's IP, so emails can't be sent to these addresses.
If you use an @yahoo.com email or any related Yahoo services, they have blocked us also due to "user complaints"
-UE

General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

19495969799

Comments

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I'll just say, before criticizing someone for making a "lifestyle choice" one doesn't like, one should think carefully about the practical alternatives and what it takes to reach them.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    Succinctly put.

    Anyways, the new Republican speaker, Mike Johnson, apparently has an adopted (40 year old at this point) "son" who gets in lots and lots of trouble.

    The Usual People have pinpointed the guy's race (no points guessing what) as the source of all his problems, not the fact that he was adopted at 11 years old which is plenty of time for bad habits to become entrenched in somebody's personality.

    Said Usual People tend to point out the 'Magic'* in somebody and have been making fun essentially of these nice people for taking in a troubled kid ie not realizing that adopting a 'Magic' kid would ruin their lives like this.

    For some reason, the Usual People tend to not notice when people of their exalted race also have insanely long rap sheets, getting in these same sorts of trouble. Of course, in those cases, even if it does come up, it's definitely not a racial or genetic thing at all.

    These sorts of echo chambers make me really annoyed.

    Don't get me started on the other end of race hustlers claiming Mike Johnson somehow doesn't love this adopted son of his because he's missing from the last few year's family photos. Gee, I wonder why the troubled kid would be missing from family photos???? Surely he couldn't be off busy committing crimes right???

    *Fancy way of saying the N-word.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Loose thought: authoritarianism is like porn.

    There is the hardcore, and the softcore. Such are times that we live in that the softcore can be so vanilla it's softer than the mainstream, but unless you are a pundit with an agenda out to manufacture some controversy, it still takes one glance to know what's porn and what's not.

    And then there's the weirdo fetish porn.

    Technically speaking, whether it's weirdo and fetish or not is a thing apart from its place on the soft-hard axis, but more often than not it's on the hard end, because when you're weirdo and fetish enough there's little incentive left in trying to appeal to the vanilla crowd. And so, this is where you find the ideas such as "hey, it'll be worth it to blow through a few years of our income on this Napoleon cosplay, you can trust me on that".
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    please explain what flavor of authoritarianism is analogous to "weirdo fetish porn"
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    Yeah uh, okay.

    I was going to post this in IJBMU but it feels more appropriate here.

    This year has been oddly hard on homosexuality in Africa and I'm not sure why. I mean, maybe I just always feel like people are picking on homosexuals but yesterday I was in the mall where I literally heard a gospel song explicitly stating it was taking a stand against the "spirit of homosexuality". ngl, I didn't look it up but it legit sounded like an American Mega Church singer at that, which made even more mad.

    Moving on, this stuff happened.

    I'm guessing everybody heard about Uganda, but here we go; Uganda enacts harsh anti-LGBTQ law including death penalty

    This seemed like a major publicity stunt, because as described practically everywhere, this law already existed. People on the Online Right tried to defend the letter of the law by saying it was to prevent the sexual assault of minors (relatedly, sleeping with an elderly man carries the same sentence). Like bud, no, that's not what the people enacting the law are saying at all.

    However, Uganda's status as a bastion of morality remains highly questionable, going by an oddly high rate of child illegitimacy/paternity fraud.

    Anyways, as you'd expect from a moral panic, stuff's getting insane.

    Two Men Arrested in Uganda After Peeping Tom Videotapes Rendezvous

    In Ethiopia, I guess they'll be trawling hotels making sure any two guys splitting a room aren't sleeping together.

    Man’s body dug up and burned in the street ‘after it was revealed he was gay’

    Like, I legit wasn't going to go through all these posts until I found this last item (and also what happened yesterday). My gosh, what is this and why? Why not just move on with your lives and make fun of him or say terrible things about him? Why was this necessary?
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    please explain what flavor of authoritarianism is analogous to "weirdo fetish porn"
    Duuuude.
    ngl, I didn't look it up but it legit sounded like an American Mega Church singer at that, which made even more mad.
    Might be more than a coincidence. The way I hear of what happens over there, it's often framed as a result of crazy American fundies doing the evangelizing. Basically, about every time I hear of African gaybashings, it's presented as a result of American missionaries exporting their culture wars there. Hard for me to say how much of it is true. Not that it changes much for the average gay.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    Hard for me to say how much of it is true.

    It's not true (for the most part), but it doesn't help. Yeah, basically everybody here is beholden to Christianity in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable in general (way outside the gay stuff), but I very much doubt some American fundies have to even try to bankroll anything.

    The thing with the American singer thing is that you'd think they would know better, or at least not publicly be associated with such a thing, but then again, Christians.
  • It also decrees a 20-year sentence for "promoting" homosexuality.
    They aren't kidding around.
    I was compiling a list relating authoritarian things to fetishes, but ehh, it got kinda a bit too morbid.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    I wanted to add a few things to the discussion in the Images thread, so I'm moving it where it's more on topic.

    Quoth Stormtroper:
    I'd have thought TradCaths would be the kind of people who find the idea of an absolute authority appealing.
    Absolute authority is all fun and games for these people until they discover it's their turn to submit to it.

    Also, there's such a thing as "Americanism" in the history of the Catholic Church. Like, back when all Cath was Trad Cath, the pope took offense to the idea that it's fine that the place is democratically ruled and Catholics living there don't try to overturn the government. Because, like, not trying to overturn a non-Catholic government is not what a good Catholic should do. Basically, it's that story about Kennedy having to convince the voters that he's not taking direct orders from the Vatican, except from the Vatican side and condemning the very notion that he shouldn't. It's quite curious to see the American TradCath tears now, given this context.
    It could've been bait, but I remember a tradcath LARPer
    My thoughts exactly. LARPers. Somebody in that thread said something to the effect of, "you don't want to be Catholics, you just like baroque art", and I've had that notion that a bunch of these TradCath types are just altrighters who've taken up the Church as their idea of Good Old Days. At least it's less overtly genocidal than some other ideas these folks cling onto.

    I feel like some of them may actually be turning towards the Orthodox Church, because it's more "chad" and "based". I guess it's because of the beards and Russia.

    In here, we've got the guy nicknamed "the Ayatollah", because of how hardcore Catholic he is. Thing is, in the recent few years he's become quite an opposition figure, because he stuck to, like, Christian universalism and God-is-merciful type of stuff. Folks to the left of him were like, "wait a minute, did this guy just begin to agree with us, wtf is going on?", while the mainstream rightie types just called him a stupid leftie/plant/[insert foreign power] agent and called it a day.
  • Less modern-day politics and more history-that-has-to-do-with-politics, and relevant to gck's RPG project: I just recently learned that Zumaque-I (known for being the first oil well in Venezuela) is not the first oil well in Venezuela, that title goes to EUREKA decades earlier, although of course that one was tiny and not part of the upcoming oil boom.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know
    The... First Eureka...?

    (Sadly, I guess the line isn't in this trailer, but you get the gist from there being a seventh Eureka and all).

    Man, I thought I hated this movie but watching this trailer again genuinely gave me chills.

    I think I've never mentioned that here.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Less modern-day politics and more history-that-has-to-do-with-politics, and relevant to gck's RPG project: I just recently learned that Zumaque-I (known for being the first oil well in Venezuela) is not the first oil well in Venezuela, that title goes to EUREKA decades earlier, although of course that one was tiny and not part of the upcoming oil boom.
    Not as juicy as the German zombiemaster with a mountainous supervillain lair, but I'll see what I can do.

    Also, I totes am working on it, it's just... uh... um...

    Anyways, I'm told this fellow is the new president of Argentina:
    Milei has been variously described as populist, right-wing libertarian, ultraconservative, far-right, and ultraliberal, while he identifies as a liberal libertarian, aligning specifically with minarchist and anarcho-capitalist principles.
    Milei strongly opposes abortion [...] His support for freedom of choice on topics, such as drugs, prostitution, marriage, sexual preference, and gender identity, have been contrasted to his opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
    Milei is known for his flamboyant personality, distinctive personal style, and strong media presence, both domestically and internationally. He criticizes comprehensive sex education in schools as a form of brainwashing, expressed skepticism towards COVID-19 vaccines, supports civilian firearm ownership, proposes to legalize the sale of human organs, promotes the far-right Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, engages in climate change denial, and wants to restrict immigration of criminals.
    When questioned on the topic of selling children, Milei initially responded ambiguously but later clarified his opposition, stating, "Obviously, I do not agree with the sale of children."
    Milei is a cosplayer, and has a superhero persona called "General AnCap".
    his eccentric personal life, ranging from telepathy and esotericism to speaking with his dead dog to his "God-sent mission" to become Argentina's president.
    Milei stated that he communicates with the dogs through a mystic.[11] For example, he commented that the new Conan provides ideas on general strategy, Robert is the one who makes him "see the future and learn from mistakes", Milton is in charge of political analysis, and Murray of the economy.
    About Conan's death in 2017, Milei said that Conan had not really died (he described it as "his physical disappearance" and continued to refer to Conan in the present tense) but had gone to sit next to God to protect him, and that it was thanks to this that he had begun to have talks with God himself.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Hey @Stormtroper, dat true you guys are having a referendum on whether to invade Guyana?
  • edited 2023-12-02 20:16:00
    I was wondering when the topic would come up or when I would get around to post about it.
    The referendum's questions are worded more politely, but yeah, that's what's taking place tomorrow Sunday. Chances are it's just saber-rattling and it's just a cheap distraction, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that an invasion actually takes place to serve as an expensive distraction.
    Regardless, I keep getting inundated with ads about it.
    Related: I recently learned that people in Colombia were terrified the possibility of a Colombia vs. Venezuela war ~15 years ago that they took seriously, even though we just memed about it.
    Edit: Also for the record, I'm against such an invasion. (I don't know if this is the expected "obvious" opinion, but it's not so obvious for those of us who've lived our lives with the topic.)
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Anyways...

    venewojak.png

    *tanc a lelek intensifies*


  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    lol I've been playing Weiss Schwarz Simulator
  • There is love everywhere, I already know




    So whilst this story is about the Florida GOP chair, I'm more intererested/concerned with the fact that a co-founder of Moms 4 Liberty (the anti-sexual stuff in kid's book group) readily admitted to menage a trois with a (female) close family friend. That honestly isn't the type of person who should be at the forefront of such a movement, but now I'm concerned that (gasp) a lot of conservative frontliners are just gross, pointless hypocrites.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    but now I'm concerned that (gasp) a lot of conservative frontliners are just gross, pointless hypocrites
    now I'm concerned
    now

    Oh man, c'mon...

    ...

    Anyways. Been thinking of a few more-or-less recent cases which make for a neat comparison. On the left, the gross pointless hypocrite seems to be the kind of person who owns like a seven flats while going on about the housing crisis. Or the anarchist rapist and his enablers, when you go further towards the fringe. (And last but not least, the perennial favourite: the fly-private-jet-to-global-warming-conference guys.)
  • edited 2023-12-05 15:27:01
    There is love everywhere, I already know
    Oh man, c'mon...

    I mean Jack Murphy and Jesse Lee Peterson were last year (also that story I didn't follow about the megachurch guy's poolboy cuckholding) so it's enough time for the modern internet news cycle person like myself to forget the base state of affairs.

    Plus, none of the Daily Wire's Golden Quadrangle have any scandals out yet so surely we can still trust conservative media.

    Speaking of Michael Knowles, I was thinking the other day if Shephard Smith had ever done any anti-gay stuff back when he was on Fox News (I mean it was he early 2000s so probably).

    Ah, I was wondering when the Brand thing would come up. I saw some of his stuff a few years ago and was quite confused as to why nobody had noticed he was insane (then again, Alex Jones and Andrew Tate).

    Well left-wing hypocrisy can take many forms, like when Mini Queen G headed across the Atlantic on a 3 week boat trip, ignoring how impossible/impractical that is for literally everyone not a Sudanese/Syrian refugee. Plus, IIRC she took a whole bunch of planes when she arrived on the other side anyways.
  • edited 2023-12-06 10:28:52
    There is love everywhere, I already know
    It occurs to me that overly intelligent people really like to cosplay on the internet, like claiming they're definitely not the sort to sacrifice having children young* when they literally invented careerism (and also it would be bad for modern societal achievement if careerism ended).

    *Commenting on overly intellectual blogs with 17 paragraph articles at that, rather than spending time with like, humans.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    I've got an update on political situation we have in here and figured you guys might enjoy the crazy.

    The word is "Sejmflix".

    So, after all that time, this is the last moment the Party can pretend to cling to power by lawful means. Like, I've described they are prolonging it as much as they can: stall for time, then have the Prezzie nominate a Party plant as the new Prime Minister, then stall again. This carried them from the election day all the way to today, but finally, we're at the point where the Party government either receives a vote of confidence, or fails. The Party plant began giving an expose some three hours ago, now it's time for responses from other MPs.

    That's the less crazy part.

    What's crazy is livestreams from parliamentary proceedings have become ridiculously popular since the elections, in spite of parliamentary proceedings having been widely - proverbially, even - considered the pinnacle of boredom. Right now, people are filled with so much glee at the Party's removal from power that the proceedings are being livestreamed in cinemas. Yeah, you read that right. On youtube, it's ca. 260 thousand people tuned in right now. The chatbox is wild.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Someone else remarked recently that, historically, votes in the U.S. Congress were rarely ever conducted unless the outcome was certain, but the current Congress (specifically the House), the number of votes conducted where the outcome was uncertain has increased greatly.
  • edited 2023-12-12 14:29:41
    There is love everywhere, I already know
    You know, sometimes I genuinely can't believe there was a time where women were seen as some sort of permanent wards to men, and I can't really tolerate anybody who wink-wink nudge-nudge suggests we should go back to that.

    Relatedly I'm surprised nobody ever brings up that the 19th Amendment (allowing women to vote) was ratified the same year as Prohibition came to be (and were driven by related forces).
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Someone else remarked recently that, historically, votes in the U.S. Congress were rarely ever conducted unless the outcome was certain, but the current Congress (specifically the House), the number of votes conducted where the outcome was uncertain has increased greatly.
    That first part kind of makes sense. Like, if you're gonna lose it you're not gonna call a vote, unless it's politically expedient for you to put on a show that you tried. This recent increase in uncertainty is curious, on the other hand. I'd have imagined it's just what happens if the number of seats is more or less even and it all boils down to who's sick at the moment and can't show up, but I understand that's not the case.

    ----

    Update on the parliamentary soap opera. The new government has just been voted in. The mood among the Party goons seems to be to give out every last remaining spoils they have left to their own folks until they are kicked out of office. (For example, the school inspector known for spreading stories of masturbation rooms in Swedish schools and praying for curing the gays of gay, received a honorary badge of merit. Also, the Prezzie just gave out a presidential pardon to a neo-Nazi who harassed a gay or something, but that doesn't really count since the Prezzie is legally in office till 2025.) The voting should have been a good while ago, but one of the resident wackos got hold of a fire extenguisher and put out the Hanukkah candles.

    Yeah, we had the Hanukkah candles in the house of parliament as a courtesy gesture towards the Jewish community of Poland and in general. Also, for what it's worth, we have several breeds of wackos in the parliament, he's a rather fringe one I had not described at length so far. Dude's a flamboyant kind of conspiracy theorist-slash-tradCath libright, recently getting increasingly radical.

    Anyways, the vote was postponed, the Party obviously chose to spin it into an attack on the new coalition, the wacko seems to have gone a bit too far to be dismissed this time, but it was decided not to wait for tomorrow and they managed to vote the government in some half an hour ago. They also set up a parliamentary commission to investigate the wasteful abortive presidential elections we had during the pandemic, and it seems that's going to be all for today.
  • edited 2023-12-14 17:54:53
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    This recent increase in uncertainty is curious, on the other hand. I'd have imagined it's just what happens if the number of seats is more or less even and it all boils down to who's sick at the moment and can't show up, but I understand that's not the case.
    Nah; even if people are sick, leaders should be able to count votes, and also decide whether or not they want to subject their party to difficult, divisive votes.

    It's just that the current Republican leadership is incompetent. In the previous Congress (i.e. the previous two-year term), Democratic leadership didn't let this sort of chaos happen, despite also having a 222-seat majority.


    Also, the Prezzie just gave out a presidential pardon to a neo-Nazi who harassed a gay or something
    Sidenote/FYI: "gay" as a noun referring to particular individuals may be regarded as offensive. Reference: my own experience and also Wiktionary citing https://web.archive.org/web/20070125105128/http://www.bartleby.com/64/C006/034.html :
    Like other names of social groups that are derived from adjectives (for example, black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel. In such cases you should substitute the phrase gay people for gays.

    More often this comes up when using the singular form of the noun. (The adjective form is not offensive in the same way, for whatever reason. Language is weird.)
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    It's a fair point. Although I can't help but notice an amusing conclusion that 4channer term "gay fags" is in this context less potentially offensive than "gays".
  • edited 2023-12-14 19:14:51
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I think that has some quality of looping backaround into self-parody.

    Reminds me of this one overly-supercharged insult that Dr. Robotnik came up with in a fan video: "double n####r". Basically "it's stupid because you tried too hard".

    Though, as far as offensiveness goes, I'd estimate it'd still be considered offensive, just also embarrassing on top of that.

    This is slightly mitigated by the context that "fag" being 4chan slang (derogatory but this is the norm there) for basically any person in general, though the term was almost certainly originally because it is offensive.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    In this update, I'll tell you some of the reasons I'm glad about the new ruling coalition:
    1. idk lol
    2. twitter-dwelling special snowflakes are triggered so much their mamas can't catch up with cooking enough copium to soothe the butthurt

    Bez-tytu-u.png
Sign In or Register to comment.