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When a show focuses too much on relationship stuff
Now, I'm not saying that it's wrong for a show to focus on relationship stuff. I'm just saying that this bugs me personally, and this should not be taken as a sign that shows that focus on relationships are automatically bad.
I don't know. Whenever I see/read about relationship stuff, I just go nuts. I mean when it's easy to handle (involving one or two characters) I'm chill with it. But when it gets really really complex (involving like at least 5 characters) I just get this feeling that puts me off for a while and man I need to play a dumb video game.
Does anyone else get this feeling?
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Well yeah. It wouldn't make sense to read a romance thing for anything else.
I mean works that have other points of appeal. Like Harry Potter. I struggled through Goblet of Fire because the relationship stuff was really really messy and IMO handled rather poorly.
Some humour helps. Love triangles are a blast when you can count on some laffs being made of it.
Shaking my fist forever at Legend of Korra's romantic subplot.
...yeah, that's probably why I don't watch Korra despite loving TLA.
Inb4 Kor-- DAMMIT!
Fate/Stay Night has so much of this it makes me cry at night.
How do you expect to inb4, when I am already here.
Agreed, works where romance is unnecessary and shoehorned in tend to be annoying to sit through. Action movies tend to have this badly, so do comedy shows aimed at kids.
I wouldn't know if a show that has romance as a selling point but it's continuously handled poorly (eg. Blair & Chuck, the "Will They Or Won't They" couple of Gossip Girl for 6 20+ episode seasons which take place over 7+ years) could also qualify for this, but I hate those too.
In fact, the entire will they or won't they thing is never done well unless there's a real reason for it aside from "I don't want to ruin our friendship!" (has been said 3^1000 times yet writers still think it's original).
As much as it's expected for female-oriented media (especially if it's classified as "chick lit") to have a romance plot in them, the best tend to be the ones who either don't have one or the ones that poke fun at the idea of romance in general (and I don't mean books where the first 9 chapters act like this, then she meets the hottest man ever and 20 chapters later she's the paragon of femininity and walking down the aisle for no good reason aside from how hot he is).
I don't get the new trend of desiring to pander shippers. Shippers -especially fujoshi- will ship anything.
I only have one thing to say: MAAAAAAAAAAAAAKOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Welp. It was a kids cartoon after all. I guess some people forgot that. I did a little.
Yeah. A kid's show with PRIVATE LESSONS and the like as jokes XD
That's why it's generally best to leave the shipping base to itself.
Well it makes sense on a business model. See if you have one romance in the story that's great. People might like that and whatever else they like about that in the story. And shippers will come up with some other ships and do their thing and that's fine too. But lets say you start teasing multiple pairings/hook up arrangements. Then the main fanbase itself gets caught up in the whole shipping thing and they start talking about it and arguing about it. And all that makes for a self perpetuating word of mouth machine. Sure, you won't hook anybody outside the big demographics for the most part, but you will start getting interest at a wider level.
So...basically, having a fucked-up shipping base will bring in customers?
Yes. Because shippers are vocal little fucks and are essentially free advertising.
But if you pander too much, that'll interfere with the storytelling itself.
And that's a much bigger blow to the number of viewers you'll get.
I have found it hard to get into Legend of Korra for precisely this reason.
All of the other stuff is cool. Korra's obsession with the jock? Less cool.
Not necessarily, and not really.
Elaborate pls.
You can pander in ways that don't really impact the story too much, but anyway the important thing is that if you want to make something that's financially successful or popular, it really doesn't matter if your storytelling is shit (or, it does, but you can make up for that in other ways). Micheal Bay's Transformers movies were shit, but they made billions of dollars anyway.
I don't know. Remember that relationships are a biiiiiiig part of characters, and whatever affects the characters affects the story.
...yeah, but they're still shit.
Usually when a movie is terrible yet is very successful it has to do with marketing and not pandering.
Then again, the marketing will show off the snazzy action scenes which is sort of pandering to a general audience in the first place.
Agreed. If a story is stopping every 2-7 minutes to remind us that Kirito and Asuna are totally meant to be together despite their relationship being obviously terribly done the story that was stopped is now forever ruined by those moments.
If you do a Venn diagram of the people who care about the quality of the media they produce and the people who profit from bad quality writing, you'll find that you just drew two circles.
So it's foolish to assume that Michael Bay and the like care about the quality of what they produce?
Gee, that sure wasn't immediately obvious.
I think that passive acceptance of the fact that some people don't give two shits about the quality of their work hurts all of us, though. So...
It doesn't. It really doesn't hurt anyone. People who don't care get the explosions, actions and hot girls (or romance, crying and hot guys) they wanted and we watch the stuff we consider good. It's like, impossible to actually be hurt by terrible things (that nobody is forcing you to watch.read) unless you're actively trying to be.
I mean, most people do want thoughtless action because to them it's just fun after work/school or on a date or whatever.
You could argue that this is dumbing down the current generation, but that's been going on since Jane Eyre was hailed as a paragon of Victorian Era (and by extension, modern) romance literature.
Related: I hate sex scenes in stories, mostly films but some books too. If I wanted sex, I'd watch porn. I want shit blowing up.
^ Most of the time gratuitous sex scenes only serve so that people will watch the show just to jack off.
^^ So we don't have the right to complain about when a show goes off the deep end?
You have the right and hell, critics make a full living out of it.
What I'm saying is simply that it's a fact that they don't care and that the people who enjoy it don't care that it's crap and are willing to spend their time and money in it. And it's really their choice in the end. You could argue with them that their favourite thing is shit all you want, and that's cool (Far be it from me to criticize that)
But the fact is that the assumption that you can't have a taste for bad things because they appeal to you in another level entirely is actually even more harmful than "I think that passive acceptance of the fact that some people don't give two shits about the quality of their work hurts all of us, though."