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The Machete Order for Star Wars

edited 2012-10-03 13:23:14 in Media
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  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    The major issue I see with that is Episodes II and III. Most of us are probably kind of numb to the flaws of those movies at this point, but someone who's never seen Star Wars might just drift off. By all accounts, none of the prequels have much internal consistency and they cease to make sense pretty quickly, filled with economic babble, political intrigue and philosophical discussion that George Lucas just can't handle on his own. The originals were right to remain simple, because you kind of have to in a wizard samurai cowboy space movie, but the prequels thought they could do a lot of stuff they honestly couldn't, and keeping an audience caring beyond "It's Star Wars!" never struck me as one of their strengths. 


    It's a very interesting viewing order, mind you, but its Achilles heel is that the prequels pretty much suck, and interrupting the originals for them seems like it could just as easily reflect badly on a trio of great films. 


    malk no malking

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    (steps in)


    (opens mouth)


    Star Wars sucks and it just tricks you into thinking it doesn't and spending too much money and crappy books and-


    "Malk no malking"


    Oh -man-


    (leaves)

  • No rainbow star
    ^^ However, the guy makes a good argument. I haven't seen all the films myself, and it's been over five years at least (probably closer to ten) since I've watched ANY of the movies, so I think that I'll try this order
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    I'm familiar enough with the films that I probably couldn't sit through a consecutive viewing, anyway, so perhaps I'm not the best judge here. Tell us how it is. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    He makes a good point about the whole "who the hell is that ghost next to Obi-Wan" thing, but that doesn't solve the problem that a viewing order with the prequels in it won't be very pleasant :/

  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-10-04 02:29:39

    Eh, III was watchable.  I and II were the only horrendous ones, and yeah it's totally okay to just axe I altogether.

  • a little muffled
    AotC made zero sense but it had fun fight scenes at least. I'd rate it far more watchable than RotS.

    I watched the prequels first (well, the first two, RotS wasn't out yet) as a kid and it didn't ruin the originals for me or anything. I legitimately liked AotC at the time. Ten-year-olds aren't that hard to please.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Hm...what about 4,5,3,6? It's the minimum amount of prequel you can get and still recognize ghost Anakin in the newer releases.
  • That Ghost Anakin thing was fucking idiotic. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Yeah, and the worst part is that it means you have to have seen the prequels to understand RotJ.
  • a little muffled
    You could always just watch the old version...
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    I'd say the worst is II and I is not as bad as people make it out to be.

  • You can change. You can.

    Not many copies left.

  • You could always watch, I dunno, the prequel trailers or something.

  • You can change. You can.

    Or read the summaries in Wikipedia.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    I don't see how Christensen's presence is any more confusing than the last guy's, really.

  • You can change. You can.

    The last guy's being Darth Vader? Or Yoda? Or Obi-Wan?

  • Sebastian Shaw, I think. Though unlike Christensen, he looks old enough to be Luke's father.

  • You can change. You can.

    Oh. Well, not only that but you actually see him in that movie. If you only watch the OT, you would have seen more of Sebastian Shaw than of Christensen.

  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-10-04 15:23:02

    Insofar as you saw Sebastian Shaw for all of one short scene where he's half-obscured by the lower half of the mask, bald, pasty, scarred to shit, and completely unrecognizable compared to the clean guy at the funeral.


    As much as that switcheroo made me cringe, I have to admit the first time I saw the end of Return of the Jedi I was like "wait, who's this assclown?" before I figured it out like a week later (granted, I was pretty young -- young enough to not actually think "assclown").  But still, it makes more sense to at least have a guy older than Luke in that scene.

  • a little muffled
    @Juan: The unedited theatrical versions are extras on the latest special editions.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    ^^That's fair, but on the other hand, if you just watch the OT, it's possible to recognize Shaw, but impossible to recognize Christensen.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    I don't think it's that big a leap of logic to figure it out.


    And let's face it. We're intended to take all six movies as a single unit, and if we do having Hayden there makes more sense.

  • You can change. You can.
    ^^

    They are? Huh. The DVDs I rented never seemed to have them. Unless it's a Blu-Ray thing.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Having Hayden there would actually be a really great idea if the movies he was in were any good.


    I'm really looking forward to seeing what Star Wars Revisited does with the prequels.

  • edited 2012-10-04 18:54:03
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Well, good is irrelevant to my point. I'm just talking about continuity.


    Not like Jedi was particularly great either...

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    The other thing is that Anakin is middle-aged and stuff by the time he dies. So it kind of makes sense to have hits ghost be this middle-aged dude, considering all the other ghosts are consistent with their characters at the time of death. Obi-Wan's beard didn't just suddenly shrink and recolour itself, for instance. 

  • edited 2012-10-04 18:57:29
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    By that logic, Darth Vader should be a super-crispy dude in ghost form.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Jus' saiyan, Hayden's inconsistent with Obi-Wan and Yoda. Using a young Anakin seems like an attempt by George Lucas to alter the way we see the character, as though we'd look upon him more favourably that way. Except the redemption story was already just fine, and young Anakin was a prick, so I don't think that alteration really did anything for the character or series as a whole. 

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    I always saw it as a purification. Anakin reverts to how he was before being infected by the dark side. Obi-wan and Yoda never fell, so no youthification.


    Honestly, I don't see that as a bad change. It doesn't really fundamentally change anything like Greedo shooting first or that fucking musical scene

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