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I do not mean quite that early.I have never played those games.
Fuckit, I can't even remember Crash Bandicoot's plot. fuckity
See, you know what the thing is?
This is less than half a step up from an excuse plot.
Like, literally half a step up. It's not even a full step up. It's not even "A really shitty plot that validates the events of the game." It's just an encouragement to proceed to the next area and a justification for what is happening.
Okay, so. Let me ask you a question.
In what way does the plot being bad bring down the game?
Well, I was reminded of Cave Story and I kind of see your point now. But what the hell, I'll answer it anyway.
The thing is, a bad plot ultimately detracts from a game's quality as a whole to someone, at least. While there are people like you who could not give two shits about the plot, there are also people like me who are interested in seeing how the plot pans out. And for me (and most people here, in fact), the plot was, well, a humongous disappointment.
The thing about Pokemon is that people look for different things in it. Competitive players look for potential Pokemon to use on their laddering teams, casual players look for Pokemon they think fit their playstyle, and (and I vehemently disapprove of this mentality) fangirls look for bisha bisha bishaboo characters and ways to ship them.
This, of course, means that there are people who will look at the plot and characters (of B/W, at least) seriously. Thing is, Game Freak did try and give them something. And I feel as if that something could've been something more alive and interesting than what we got, and the fact that they didn't put much effort into it does not excuse that and all.
I guess on a whole I'm just disappointed.
that's the one I was thinking of!
The thing is, there are people who will look at the plot and characters of anything seriously. This doesn't mean that you need to cater to them.
I mean, people take the plots of fucking Mario games seriously.
Ultimately, I don't think that a lack of overall narrative drags the game down very much. It's like, yes, Game Freak could have told a much more interesting story with it, but at the same time, there's no real reason to. It wouldn't have really added all that much, and it would have resulted in spending a lot more resources on the game, hiring writers, coding extra, and so on.
There are games that just don't need all that much story to function. Pokemon is one of them. I don't see how throwing the players a bone with it obligates Gamefreak to make a compelling narrative, especially factoring in outside concerns.
Well, I see your point now.
So you agree that yes, N is a stupidly done character and the plot in general is really half-assed, but you're saying that it doesn't really hurt the game in the long run, right?
Pretty much, yeah.
Well, that's a new perspective. That is a rather practical, if jaded, way of looking at things.
Now let's go throw some crab apples at N.
i.e. "There is no wrong way to play the game................ unless you're a shipper, then fuck you?"
And for the record, 99% of video games have godawful writing and it doesn't make them any less fun.
Then again, I haven't played Pokemon Black/White and I never will so
To be fair, I hear that Star Ocean is pretty much a game made for shippers. Or something. I'm not entirely sure, but apparently a huge part of the plot management is keeping tabs on who's blushing in whose presence. And since there's no official ending, they're all canonised.
So I have to quest why shippers would invest in non-shippy games (except for general gameplay enjoyment) when there's stuff like Star Ocean geared to them and a plethora of RPGs that encourage shippiness. Even Final Fantasy 7 had mechanics from eroge games, and now we have stuff like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. Shipping is just becoming a part of mainstream RPG gaming, so it seems counter-intuitive that Pokemon, of all titles, would be chosen for shipping attention.
Star Ocean: The Last Hope has a mechanic in which your spaceship has four bedrooms with two beds each, and you choose which party members sleep where. So... yeah...
I don't think I was entirely lucid or serious when I made that.
But well, every fandom means shipping and shipping leads to creepy shit 99% of the time.
...oh hell, I just dislike shipping.
maybe you shouldn't post when you aren't lucid then
nah
It's just that the creepy shit is more visible than the majority of non-creepy stuff. Like most internet things.
Shipping is just one of those things that seems to bring out the worst in people.
Nah a lot of shipping is just boring cute WAFFy shit or "hey wouldn't it be cool if X and Y hooked up?" I mean for ever creepy fic of Homer, Lenny, Carl, Barney and Moe starting a hardcore BDSM club in the bar, there is probably four relatively boring fics about Homer and Marge doing couples crap while trying to emulate the show's humor.
Really, what bugs me about N is that these tweets pretty much shat on him as a character.
Now, don't pull the "lol they didn't care enough" on me. That's 'cos they had already displayed a decent amount of skill in character building and development. This is most evident with Silver. He was a character who underwent genuine, if somewhat stilted, change throughout the duration of the G/S games. It wasn't much, at least compared to characters from other series, but it was far better than most Pokemon NPCs.
Now, one problem I had with N is that failed drama aside, N was actually comparable to Silver in terms of complexity. The problem I had, really, wasn't that N was a bad character from the get-go: it was that this official information pretty much ruined him utterly as a character.
Hoo boy.
Uh... Mind telling us exactly why that's a 'hoo boy' thing?
He's holding a Pokeball.
But for context's sake:
....
Dear lord. How pedantic could you be? Not even excepting the 3 year timeskip to rethink things and how N's arc resolution at the end of B/W was that the world wasn't as divided as he thought but... seriously man? Seriously?
^
I was actually expecting most of the criticisms to be about the validity of my sources, actually.
But yes, that is a very valid point. I forgot to take into account the ending.
We don't actually know what your sources are, so I just assumed they were the same as for everything else and thus presumably trustworthy.
Bulbagarden.
uh
What? Serebii's interface is clunky as all hell and Veekun's pool of information is limited.
N's vs Sprite in Black/White show him holding a Pokeball... But at that point, he still sees things his way
I just realized where people might pick up the idea of N seeing the future from:
""Well, what will you do? My prediction... If the future that I see is true, you will meet ReshiramB/ZekromW. The Pokémon with you believe in you so strongly... Will you be the one who interferes with my formula for changing the world? If you want to protect the bonds between Pokémon and people, you must search for ReshiramB/ZekromW! I'm sure it is waiting for you in the form of the Light StoneB/Dark StoneW.""
Natural Harmonia Gropius sounds like a TWEWY clothing brand.
Nothing. Just wondering why you'd expect us to question it.
If you'd said Serebii, then I'd have laughed you off. But you didn't. So you're fine.
...there's really no excuse for that, is there.