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My favorite fantasy work is very nearly porn. (NSFW)
What if I were to tell you that my favorite fantasy work is one that's largely based on a sexual fetish? Without knowing anything else, would you assume it's because of the nudity, or because of the well-developed characters, thought-provoking moral dilemmas and the extreme creativity of the setting?
I'm guessing you'd probably assume it's the former. It's really kind of irritating how a lot of people tend to dismiss any work with a prominent sexual element as shallow smut without ever really bothering to learn much else about it.
Just because I might fap to something doesn't mean it can't be a good story on it's own merits, you know!
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That depends on what exactly this fictional work is.
"It's really kind of irritating how a lot of people tend to dismiss any work with a prominent sexual element as shallow smut without ever really bothering to learn much else about it."
"the well-developed characters, thought-provoking moral dilemmas and the extreme creativity of the setting?"
My response to that is: can I find these things in other media that doesn't have the smut? If so, then why should I even care about this one?
Not entirely sure if serious; will act like it is for the moment.
Well, if you just walked up to me and said "my favorite fantasy work is based on a sexual fetish," yes, as a matter of fact, I would assume that the only thing you thought was worth mentioning about it was the reason you liked it :P
Kodomo no Jikan, then?It's obviously Bocu no Pico, Forzare.
The Maiden Rape Assault - Violent Semen Inferno?
I'm guessing that it's Gor. Or FATAL.
As long as the work isn't morally objectionable I see little problem with this.
^Don't forget Pokegirls.
EDIT: Or Fate/Stay Night. But that's the one work I would kind of agree with Zennistrad.
I am now morbidly curious, but I know that I don't dare try to Google either of those, given what I've heard Japanese media is capable of.
-ninja-edit-induced misunderstanding-
Boku no Pico: Hardcore gay cross-dressing little boys fucking.
^^ I thought most countries had laws against child pornography...
^ Those are animated so it's legal on Japan (and a bunch of other countries too)
Also KnJ isn't actually porn. I don't know anything about BnP other than the premise, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it uses the "they're eighteen-year-olds that just look like they're ten" excuse.
In that there's no explicit sexual acts, no, there's not. However, it does show off nude children in sexual positions/situations, so the line being drawn here is a bit arbitrary.
Granted, I haven't seen the anime, only read the manga. However, the manga was bad enough to make me not really care.
Oglaf?
Oglaf does have appeal outside the porniness (namely that it's pretty funny), but it doesn't really fit with the OP's description.
Zennistrad - off the top of my head the only fantasy series that I know, and think is pretty decent is the Kushiel's Noun series by Jacqueline Carey. I mean the main character from the first three books is a professional whore and a masochist with a magical healing factor. But then you get politics and intrigue and epic quest plots and smut. And an alt - history France where the state religion is to worship Jesus' bisexual little brother and his angelic groupies who slept around alt history France so hard, everybody has a little angel in them, which mostly means they look pretty and almost everyone is bisexual.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I kinda sorta agree with the idea that a work shouldn't be dismissed because it contains a sexual element to it. I mean, sex is a natural part of human if not all life. Art not having or ignoring this seems ridiculous to me.
I will admit, of course, that when the sexual element takes over the narrative, it becomes unwieldy. But that happens with pretty much anything else.
This doesn't sound ridiculous at all. Sex is just a thing like others, so it's proper use just depends on the context. We're all pretty sick of oversexualised fanfiction and published authors being downright skeevy at times, but it can be an effective addition to a work of fiction (or non-fiction, circumstances being merciful) even indirectly.
But like violence, it's often handled pretty badly -- at least subjectively. Whether you have a lot, a little or none at all, everyone has a pretty strong opinion on what they consider sexually "correct", no matter the diversity of sexual acts they condone or condemn. We naturally like to see our own views reinforced in fiction, so when the narrative supports something we dislike or condemns something we (ideally) engage in, we're more likely to consider it indulgent.
To me, a complete absence of sexuality is as artificial as an excess of sexuality is indulgent. And this doesn't necessarily mean that something must (or even should) have sex scenes, but it does mean those aspects of the characters and societies found therein should find some means of expression when appropriate. Marriage ceremonies are an example of an act that expresses sexuality in a widely socially acceptable manner -- look how a Western bride's dress is totally white and usually generous towards her breasts. White is the traditional colour of virginity and boobs are boobs, so there you go. Even the expression (internal as it might be) of finding someone attractive can discuss in short or at length a character's sexuality.
There's a lot of ways to do this without turning to the unfortunate "vertical meat pistol" metaphors and various other hilarious ways to ruin a character's sexual expression. Unless you like that kind of thing. I'm not sure about you, but I find the possibility of or hinting at a sexual act more enticing in fiction than the consummation described outright. Then it's less "vertical meat pistol" and more "tell me, goddamnit". Except I really don't want to know, because that would ruin it. Less is more in a lot of things.
hurr insert sword pun
I misspoke. I meant to say that I can't believe I'm agreeing with Zennistrad here. Kinda. Sorta.
But you both like Magic!
People who'd probably like Magic: Hitler.
Just sayin'
Hitler was a total Norseaboo though.
Favorite Fantasy work, would be the urban fantasy of fucking heroes of legend. So who am I to judge?
Exactly!
^ But Magic hasn't yet had a Norse-themed set. Except maybe Ice Age/Coldsnap, but that's really more of a non-cultural-specific cold-themed set.
As for what work I'm actually referring to in the OP, it's a bit more obscure than anything anyone here's mentioned so far.
You could actually just mention it so we have some idea what you are talking about.
Just saying.