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'Cause English isn't a bastard pastiche of German, French and Latin anyway. :>
You must go to the Dagobah system and seek out master Yoda.
sorry wrong thread
um, glenn? wrong thread
^^ so is Alex my father? is that what YOU'RE SAYING?!
Yes. And Malk is really your sister.
so...you're obi wan?
I have been established as a ghost with an internet connection multiple times.
Also Nova is R2D2.
R2D2 as a tiny lesbian is now a mental image i won't be able to shake out of my head.
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I think it's high time we started to seriously explore, as a cultural/sociological/whatever issue, why white people get offended on other races' behalves, and possibly investigating the instances where other races have done something similar, instead of just pointing and laughing like is usually done. 'Cause it's frankly getting disquieting.
white guilt has always been a thing because of the way white people/the government/however you wanna call it needs to keep up the appereance of non-racism.
At the core, the issue is basically a matter of historical perspective, really. whites fear being seen as racists because their ancestors were.
^ In that case, I wonder if any (non-racist) Japanese get offended on Chinese people's behalves because of the Rape of Nanking.
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but on the other hand, it's not a culture most (If any) of us are quite familiar with, outside of animu. And Gelzo is gone, so.
Yeah, there's a definite mea culpa undercurrent to the whole thing. I'd also add that a lot of people still tend to instinctively classify people of other races as "them", which lends obliviousness fuel. The culture in the West at least also tends to emphasize talking over listening.
*removed; empty snipe*
Is there really any need to say that?
Admittedly, I wasn't sure what Juan was getting at, but what I do remember was that Gelzo fit the description of "Don't talk to me about race/gender/class/etc. issues because I don't care and you shouldn't either" aptly. Usually, I apply Hanlon's Razor in cases like this, but that didn't make me feel any less uncomfortable around him. And yes, it did get personal at one point.
Ah, the Skullgirls thread comes to mind.
Gelzo was the only user I know here who was actually interested in Japan's culture past feudal and swordy times (alex no alexing)
And he's in Japan right now. --shrug--
Either way, Gelzo wasn't really against privilege talk, although he did have some tendencies towards...um, let's just say unsavory opinions.
Pretty much. The problem is that by making such a huge, obnoxious deal of trying to be conciliatory and hawkishly looking for any offense that might possibly come out of your mouth, you effectively recognize and perpetuate (or create!) the very social divides that are actually the problem, except now you're condescending. And it's a really tricky thing, since there are still plenty of cases where the old obviously racist grandpa or whatever needs to get smacked upside the head, but there are just as many where we're at a point that talking about it really does do more harm than good.
I think Morgan Freeman said it best. The only way to get rid of racism is ultimately to stop talking about it.
"The only way to get rid of racism is ultimately to stop talking about it."
Of course, that's the ultimate goal, but I do think talking less and listening more is a good way to deal with it in the meantime. The trouble with a lot of activists is that they act as though they represent a social group despite not having the experience of being in that group.
Because things totally stop continuing on business as usual once people stop talking about them.
Very much so. The caveat with "stop talking about it" is it's not always the first step that needs to be taken -- but it has to be the last one.
That reminds me of one survey question I had which asked me how often I had meaningful conversations with people of different ethnicities. It's an awkward question because it implies that now I have to think about whether the person I'm talking to is white, black, Chinese, Indian, Hispanic, etc. even though there's a wide variety of people on campus.
Well, it won't eradicate all racism, that much is true, but it will certainly help eradicate (Or at least reduce) the white guilt aspect that is kinda the majority of it these days.
But it will perpetuate all the other kinds of racism that actually acknowledging the problem is helping to deal with.
How do they say it? Acknowledging a problem is the first step towards fixing it?
Yeah, but white guilt is counterproductive because it shifts the issue away from the targets of racism.
@Last page: my problem with the phrase "African American" is that it's the equivalent of calling me "Scottish American," even though I've never been to Scotland and neither has anyone in the last five or six generations of my family.
Not to mention that it's only a solution for one country.
Yes, but shutting yourself off from racism completely, as in Freeman's quote, is ultimately unproductive. And I would prefer not to ignore white guilt if the alternative is not helping the other, more legitimate forms of racism in the process.
I wouldn't say the majority of it is white guilt. Visiting relatives out in the Midwest, there was some really nasty anti-Mexican stuff floating around, and it got way, way worse when an influx of Mexican gangs came in, distinctly not helping matters. And then the decent Mexican folks who move in get intimidated and start insulating themselves, and then the white folks think they're trying to carve out a Mexican enclave instead of melting in, and then the immigrants actually do that because they feel threatened outside those enclaves, and...yeah.
The thing is, the developed world is big enough that we have these pockets of places that are so far along that we really should go ahead and stop talking about it...but then we've also got pockets that are still on fire and that would be a horrible idea.
That's quite true, hence why I only agree with the Freeman quote when it comes to the White Guilt side of the issue. I do think that a lot of racism is not white guilt based.