All men are rape supporters

Hatter · 2011-05-19 22:50:48

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

It's so tragic.

snowbull · 2011-05-19 22:51:24

I learned long, long ago that all heterosexual sex is rape. Get with the times, Hatter.

-hasn't read link-

EDIT: Well that was an entertainingly hyperbolic satire

i think

DonZabu · 2011-05-19 22:52:31

>physically restrained

Well, there goes the S&M contingency.

AHR · 2011-05-19 22:53:24

I am going to have the BEST sex life EVER.

Forzare · 2011-05-19 22:54:08

A man is a rape-supporter if…

He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage,
drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to
psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.
He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man.
He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked.
He has procured a prostitute.
He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
He has gone to a strip club.
He is anti-abortion.
He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
He watches pornography in which women are depicted.
He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a
struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are
present.
He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such
as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get”
a man.
He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed.
He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects
He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment,
street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual
objectification.
He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them.
He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men
are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically
ill.
He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention.
He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to
the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions
as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the
men.
He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s
physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a
man’s.
He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms
referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing
women.
He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.”
He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.”
He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more
fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children.
He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.”
He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or
attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually
appealing.
He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity.
He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.

It started okay, then got terrible really fast.

DYRE · 2011-05-19 22:54:25

I read the first few bullet points and I was like... "okay this isn't too unreasonable..." then suddenly HOLY CRAP SO MUCH STUPID IN ONE PLACE

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 22:58:54

Ah man, I was doing OK until she got to the "porn as freedom of speech" bit.

She seems to be conflating objectification with rape.

Forzare · 2011-05-19 23:00:04

"He watches pornography in which women are depicted."

gay porn is cool though

snowbull · 2011-05-19 23:00:59

" I don’t seen “consent” as being the end-all-be-all of sexual relationships"

Finally, someone who recognizes that my love crosses the boundaries of consent.

i luv misqtations

Hatter · 2011-05-19 23:01:59

Not appreciating women is sexist. If I can look at a woman and appreciate her physical beauty, I fail to see how that means that I can't appreciate her personality or mind as well. Trying to prevent me from appreciating physical beauty, or being aroused by it, is in essence trying to make me treat women differently, as inferior creatures.

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:02:50

Actually, I'd be curious as to whether she applies the same set of standards to women.

If she doesn't, I'd question whether she's really a feminist, or merely sexist.

snowbull · 2011-05-19 23:04:05

this thing has some ridiculously polite comments, and for someone who believes all men support rape she's being freakishly polite

i gotta clear all this fuck outta my head

Forzare · 2011-05-19 23:04:20

^^Someone asks that in the comments, and her response is basically to yell "IRRELEVANT."

DYRE · 2011-05-19 23:04:55

Hey, she doesn't think all men support rape. Just all the ones who have ever thought of sex at some point in their life.

Hatter · 2011-05-19 23:05:21

The two are one and the same.

Before anyone jumps on me, I maintain that the proper term for someone who wants everyone to be equal is "egalitarian," and that focusing on women exclusively in the manner of feminism makes it harder for you to keep in mind that there are issues facing men as well. With feminism, you also foster an "us versus them" mentality that all too often turns to outright hatred.

Crimson · 2011-05-19 23:06:41

I got about half-way down that list before I found something that pegged me as a rapist.

Do I win anything?

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:09:38

OK, guys, no, we're strawmanning here. She hasn't said being attracted to women is sexist, nor has she said that thinking of sex is sexist, nor that meeting any one of these points on the list makes you a rapist (merely a "rape supporter").

And no, feminism is not inherently sexist. If the two are one and the same to you, you are wrong, even if you don't like the feminist movement.

And ideally, it shouldn't be "us" versus "them", because men are not "them". Opponents of feminism are "them". Although the us-versus-them mindset is an obnoxious thought-stopper however worthy your cause.

DYRE · 2011-05-19 23:12:23

OK, guys, no, we're strawmanning here.

Well, yeah, but it's no fun to argue seriously.

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻ · 2011-05-19 23:13:20

"He watches pornography in which women are depicted."

Damn it I was so close!

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:14:06

^^ Fair enough.

Anti-feminism bugs me, though. I used to identify as a feminist, and some of the arguments that have people mocking or proclaiming their outrage actually make a great deal of sense if you listen to the reasoning behind them.

(Though I do think this particular article seems rather extreme.)

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻ · 2011-05-19 23:25:53

That "no watching porn with women in it" is far too unreasonable. Even when compared to everything else in that list.

Well, at least they didn't put in "males who happen to look feminine enough to trick too many people into believing they are female."

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:27:41

The usual argument is that porn objectifies women and is demeaning.

Though other feminists have been contesting that claim since the 1980s, if not earlier.

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻ · 2011-05-19 23:30:08

I can't enjoy pornography that is clearly designed for the purpose of objectifying people.

It destroys the only reason why I ever read/listen to it.

Hatter · 2011-05-19 23:30:31

Women are objects. So are men. The body is made of meat, bone and water, just like every other animal. We're special only because of our thoughts and abilities to understand and question. We are animals until we aspire to be something greater.

So long as pornography does not portray its participants as incapable of thought, it isn't harmful.

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻ · 2011-05-19 23:32:29

I'm pretty sure some animals don't have bones. Also the word objectify has more than one definition which isn't referring to that anyway, so it is irrelevant if we are technically objects.

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:33:02

Women are people. It can be argued that portraying them as sex objects encourages people to think of them as such and creates an atmosphere hostile to women.

I'm not sure of the extent to which this is true, but yeah.

Hatter · 2011-05-19 23:33:11

Right, but they're made of carbon. And we share 30% of our DNA with them.

Khwarizmi, just because women are human doesn't mean that they're all people. Same thing goes for men. There are plenty of humans I know who I wouldn't classify as people because, despite their ability to think, they don't.

Khwarizmi · 2011-05-19 23:34:19

I'm going to pretend you weren't ninja'd, because it's funnier that way.

@ edit: Um, OK, whatever you say, bro.

Don't think that was relevant to my point, but whatever.

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻ · 2011-05-19 23:38:35

"despite their ability to think, they don't."

How is that possible

Hatter · 2011-05-19 23:40:13

It's hard for me to explain something I don't fully understand, Ed.

If it's any consolation, everyone on this site qualifies as a person in my book.

notwithstanding · 2011-05-19 23:47:18

Didn't Hatter get banned from TVTropes for being sexist?

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