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Guns.

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  • Ian: Two words "Black market".
  • edited 2011-04-28 20:31:29
    Tableflipper
    The black market is not connected by portals you can use to enter them at any time from any place.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^^

    If this were true gun crime would be so mucg more common in the UK than it is.
  • Ed: You show me a city with a population over a thousand and I'll show you a city with a dozen drug dealers. Same principle.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Drug Dealers =/= Guns.
  • edited 2011-04-28 20:37:21
    Tableflipper
    Only a dozen in a population of over 1000? Damn.

    Or are we talking about separate cities?
  • Tnu - Your argument relies entirely on unproven and entirely theoretical situations existing in a sufficiently high quantity to render your proposed situation feasible. There is no evidence you have provided as to why these increasingly improbable situations you assert must exist, actually do exist, and furthermore, your argument also relies on there being some sort of parallel between markets whose only common ground is illegality.

    Unless you can prove that your proposed parallels hold true, and also provide us with sufficient evidence that your assertions are real problems, I fail to see why any of us should take you seriously.
  • Knives are cooler.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Gunblades are shit though.
  • Fair enough GB but I'll have to deal with each issue one at a time so if you wouldn't mind countering each issue individuallly allowing me to work on a coutnerpoint? I'm just voic8ng my opinions I don't think it's right for the authorities to have too much poer and this factors in to it.
  • Because you never know what you might see.
    @ Ian: Well, you've just turned everything I thought I knew about gun crime on its head.  I'm not sure what to think now.

    I'll need to give this some thought.
  • GB: Your argument assumes that arbitrarily restricting freedoms is ever okay. You can kill someone just as dead with a bow, a knife, an axe, or your fists. If the same general outcome is coming either way, why put restrictions on how it's done?  Moreover, you seem to assume that having access to weapons automatically means that people are going to commit more crimes. If you cannot provide any of your precious evidence to this idea, your opinion is just as flawed as mine if not moreso by your standard.
  • I have made no such argument. Please don't attack a straw man.
  • edited 2011-04-28 21:04:47
    Sorry, there was some confusion as to who was being talked to. TNU was my voice for a bit. ^_^

    I should be more general; the argument against guns is typically based on the assumption that guns somehow magically increase crime rates, when this is pretty obviously untrue. The crime that happens was going to happen anyway. People don't just think "Oh hey guise! I haz gun! Imma kill a bitch for the lulz!" They have a reason (however fucked up) for committing the crime, and they will do it with whatever weapon they have available.

    Thus, restricting guns is arbitrary denial of personal freedom and is thus undesirable.

    @Cygy: Why in the name of sanity would someone break into your house without a weapon? I don't think I've ever heard of a case of someone breaking into a house, robbing something, and mauling the homeowner with their fists (and I think that would hit the news.)
  • I still have made no such argument. Making it more general does not change that fact, and regardless of account switching, your first post addressed me specifically.

    You are attacking an argument I have not made and expecting me to rise to your rebuttal of it based on the idea you made a mistake. I have not once asserted what you claim and for that matter neither has anyone else.

    Stop. Strawmanning.
  • edited 2011-04-28 21:12:07
    Yup. Accusations of strawmanning without consideration of Poor Communication Kills is absolutely in no way strawmanning. :/

    I never asked you to rise to the rebuttal, I clarified that I fucked up in who I was talking to, and stated a more general argument not directed at you in any way.

    Strawmanning is, coincidentially, a serious case of You Keep Using That Word. "Help help I'm being repressed" for the Internet, if you will.
  • Honestly and this is just me not speeking for Dia if it's such a big deal we should stop criminals, civilians, military, and all other authorities from getting guns. we should just destroyt them.
  • edited 2011-04-28 22:56:23
    Anything interesting?

    No?

    Chagen, get one of these:


  • edited 2011-04-28 22:56:47
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Is there supposed to be a pic or vid? I don't see one. Unless you are implying that he should get nothing.
  • There's a pic trust me on this one.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    oh there we go it popped up.

    I want a pink MP5 now.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I read that as "I want a pink MP3 now."
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    • @Cygy: Why in the name of sanity would someone break into your house without a weapon? I don't think I've ever heard of a case of someone breaking into a house, robbing something, and mauling the homeowner with their fists (and I think that would hit the news.)

      Usually, people are smart enough to try not to get caught.
      Also:
      Gunblades are shit though.
      @ Ian: Well, you've just turned everything I thought I knew about gun crime on its head.  I'm not sure what to think now.

      I'll need to give this some thought.
  • Deboss: The gun I mentioned in the OP was twice the size of that.

    Not shitting you.
  • edited 2011-04-28 23:17:01
    Patrol Time
    cygan: Ever hear of home invasions?  Breaking and entering with the people inside.  Often deliberate and with weapons.  Also most thieves do carry some form of a weapon.  Common burglars tools are often used as weapons.

    Chagen: The .50 cal revolver?  Its for show mostly.  You could do stand or blind hunting with it if you wanted to.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Is it easier to get a gun, pepper spray, or a taser for self-defense Tuefel?
  • edited 2011-04-28 23:20:03
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    cygan: Ever hear of home invasions?  Breaking and entering with the people inside.  Often deliberate and with weapons.  Also most thieves do carry some form of a weapon.  Common burglars tools are often used as weapons.

    Yes. I don't believe they're very common though, but I may not have a good idea, being Australian.

    If you are counting improvised weapons, the householder has access to a thousand of them anyway.

    oi what
  • edited 2011-04-28 23:28:08
    Patrol Time
    Depends on your city.  Some cities and counties have strict regulations
    on what you can carry. 

    Mace/Pepperspray for the record has a number of
    issues with it's effectiveness.  namely anyone who has been sprayed
    often enough can adapt to it and learn to ignore it's effects, some
    people are hardly bothered by pepper spray like me.  It hurts yeah but
    it is pretty easy to ignore pain.  If the target is drunk or on drugs it
    might not have any effect at all.  It can also be easily be blocked by
    someone wearing goggles, large sunglasses, a solid object, or even with
    your hand. 

    Tasers that have reach are more practical are harder
    to block but you have to hit what your aiming at.  Stun Guns the
    variety you touch them with requires getting in close. 

    Guns require training to use and handle properly and are a bit more pricey.  They are more of a long term item.

    Folks gun owner ship is perfectly fine if done responsibly.  There is the caveat.  There is always an idiot.
  • @Cygan: Unfortunately, most of us don't live in countries where crooks beat people to death with their bare fists.

    @Tuefel: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I love you, man. ;_;
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I don't think it's really so much of a crime here, home invasions.
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