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@Schitzo: Kuudere has a lot of overlap with Defrosting Ice Queen, but they aren't the same. A kuudere is nice on the inside, whereas a defrosting ice queen might be as much of a bitch as she seems (at first). On the other hand, a kuudere doesn't necessarily have to "defrost".
A tsundere doesn't have to be someone's girlfriend, and "mood-swinging" is...not a very specific description, or even necessarily very accurate.
RapeHumorLOL Be gentle.
I'm not familiar at all with the mark up, and don't know what I want to be.
Tsundere (ツンデレ?) (Japanese pronunciation: [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time.
That sounds a lot like Defrosting Ice Queen and not very much like the trope article's description of hot-cold-hot-cold split personalities. :-)
^ If that's true, then there's a lot of confusion on the interwebs. A google search for the term led me to a Yahoo! answers, which led me to a blog that described:
"Now we have tsundere, the combination of both tsuntsun and deredere traits. A tsundere is a person who starts off with a tsuntsun type personality but ends up with a deredere personality. They are the serious, highly ambitious and confident type but slowly develops or shows signs of deredere, usually developing feelings for another character and dropping the tough front."
>I'm almost kinda surprised that Critical Research Failure is not now "Artistic License - Research".
Don't give them any ideas.
Tsundere and the like, though, should at the very least, exist as a definition page since they're terms that fans use all the time.
Also I kinda like typical tsunderes, but I can definitely see why others don't.
I wouldn't mind "comrade", though. Communism associations be damned.
On-topic, I know what you mean, OP. Sometimes they're awkwardly specific or use modifiers that make them stand out among other names (of course, sometimes it's necessary).
I don't think happens too often, thankfully.
Ninja edit: After thinking while munching for a bit, I don't think I get this vibe from any crowner-renamed trope that can't be blamed on the specific nature of the trope.
I sometimes wonder what would happen if somebody were to bring up Zig Zag Paper Tassel and The Thing That Goes Doink to TRS.
A CHARACTER-NAMED TROPE
"The Thing That Goes Doink"
I always thought that was about Tonberries.
Believe it or not, quite a few of the japanese/anime-named tropes have been renamed over the past couple of years.
The ones that remain by and large fall under the "incredibly high usage numbers" category, which means that it is difficult to get a rename suggestion through short of admin fiat. When you have a single article that literally performs better than 99% of the site's 150,000 other articles. This places a high burden of proof on those proposing the rename to show that the current name is causing major problems.
"The current title annoys me" or "The current title isn't clear enough" don't cut it when you've got several thousand inbounds, several thousand internal links, and a low percentage of misuse. I agree that in a perfect world, every trope title would tell the reader everything they needed to know about the trope... however, there are other things to consider, and incredibly high, ad-revenue generating performance is one of them.
The difference between "clear" and "concise and witty" is that clarity can be achieved by reading the blasted trope description, but if a trope name isn't witty or concise to start with, then no amount of exposition will improve it, which is why I advocate stopping trying to shoehorn clarity into trope names. Of the trio of "clear, concise, and witty," two won't happen by themselves, even with a well-written description.
So what happens most of the time? People link or apply Power Trio because it IS an awesome name for three characters who kick butt and take names. Then, realizing what the trope is about, they or someone else stretches their imagination to assign the Freudian structure to each of the three members. When in reality, I think most folk could just use a new trope for Three-Guys-Being-Awesome.
(Similarly, I've seen people link to Five Man Band or Four Temperament Ensemble based on how many members are in the group, as opposed to which structure fit better.)
"clarity can be achieved by reading the blasted trope description"
Why do people keep using this blasted argument? I can read the description once, but if the name is not clear, it still won't help me remember what the trope is, and it's incredibly inconvenient to have to keep checking back all the time just to recall what "What's A Secret Four?" is supposed to be.
Since... that's what it means in a non-TVTropes context.
Edit: Tucking fypos!