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I did say that I ignore the metagame. I'm talking about single-player.
And not everyone trades.
I doubt it would go into Ubers, but it definitely would stick in high OU.
Where do the other starters' top-level evolutions rank?
/me looks up blastoise
UU with OU possibility.
/me looks up venusaur | I don't remember this being very well-received.
> OU
wait what
> Chlorophyll
Oh. Hunh. This is new.
That said, charizard being in OU doesn't seem like that bad of a thing.
^No, but as INUH said, it would wreak havoc in single player.
Similarly, if Gyarados was Water/Dragon except 10 times worse.
Pokémon single player is hardly balanced as it is.
Choosing Charmander in first gen basically makes the first two hours of the game hardmode; I don't see what's wrong with rewarding that.
OHKOs and 2HKOs EVERYWHERE
Good God, Gyarados' SR and 4x Electric weaknesses are the only things keeping it from Ubers. Removing that would give you an absolute powerhouse.
Yeah, unresisted dual STAB would murder the metagame.
OK, guys, let's put this into perspective:
You get a Pokemon that has almost-unresisted dual STAB (only resisted, may I add, by a legendary that was only introduced in the fourth gen) at the start of the game. At the start of the game.
Charizard would be at least at Garchomp's level of broken-ness.
^ The type combination isn't everything. Don't forget that Kingdra was in UU in generation 3 (or was he borderline?)
Charizard would probably get Draco Meteor if he was secondary Dragon and he has the stats to abuse it.
STAB Draco Meteor + STAB Heat Wave is all the coverage you need, man.
^ I'm just saying, type is only part of the equation
The other parts are stats, movepool, and abilities
I love how a food topic derailed into Pokemon.
Charizard has a high Spe. Atk stat and the movepool to abuse it.
Charizard has a wide movepool with STAB and non-STAB options like Solarbeam, Fire Blast, Earthquake, and Focus Blast. It also has Dragon Dance to further boost its good Speed and mediocre Attack. Dragon-typing would only give it STAB on things like Outrage and Dragon Claw (which are usable after a DD)
Solar Power gives it an immense Sp. Atk boost, equivalent to a Specs boost without the need for a lock-in in the sun. Charizard also only loses 1/16 of its HP with Leftovers.
A secondary Dragon-typing would make it kind of like a faster, weaker Hydreigon (albeit one with an excellent primary STAB in Fire and access to better boosting moves)
...The point I was making is that just type doesn't mean anything. Yes, of course Charizard and Gyardos gaining secondary flying types would make them beasts
> how did the fish sandwiches thread get 76 comments
> pokemon
> oh
^^ Pretty much my curse of action this morning.
Juan confirmed for being an internet witch now. Instead of using bits of hair and fingernail clippings or bits of clothing or items of personal significance, he is a true post modern practitioner of witchery, using emails and private messages as "material" components to lay hexes on people. Every Sunday he flies off to the #blackmass IRC channel and cavorts with Lady Lain of the Wired to earn her favor.
It is foretold that he will lead Anonymous against twitter one day and slay it with the Fang of Overlord Jimbo Wales.
who's the bigger witch: the guy who lays hexes on people or the guy who predicts my future to a tee
also, you're the second IJBMer to say that I will have magical properties at one point. granted, the first time i was confirmed for "grumpiest wizard".
...which fits quite well, now that i think about it.
oh i just knew it
c'mere juan
butbutbut i thought you were my black knight, he who'd ride onto europe spreading the horror that i so relish!
horror is a matter of perspective
particularly yours >
you're the dickiest knight
jaime lannister would look at you and say "Maaaan, not even I'm that big a dick"
i'd push his kid out of a window if you know what i mean
and by that i mean
joffrey
fuck that guy
you may or may not be much of a dick, then.
then again, everyone hates joffrey. it's called common sense.
get a room you two.
And Crimson got tossed from a window, and desperately tried to cling to relevancy for the next four books.
Maybe Juan isn't a wizard, but a cleric Lady Lain the Wired, whose clerics dress up like wizards because they're total geeks.
Well actually legendaries are not the most powerful Pokemon in the game. That assumption is even more ridiculous than OU Pokemon being the most powerful in the game. But I'm seeing your point: Charizard would only be overpowered compared to other starters, and mentioning Gen 1 and balance in the same sentence are likely to arouse hysterical fits of laughter and derision everywhere anyways.
However, I would also like to point out that Charizard has the movepool and the stats to abuse Fire/Dragon typing fully, which is definitely going to imbalance the already unstable metagame even more. Fire/Dragon would turn Charizard from a frail sweeper with numerous common checks and problems to a ferocious, unstoppable sweeper to which Heatran and SR are the only true counters. Therefore, Charizard would eclipse both starters and other Pokemon.
lol breeding and trading
And anyways, simulators destroy the entire concept of availability. And no, the only way Charizard would be usable against SR strategies would be if it got Magic Guard.
I wholeheartedly agree with the first sentence. I mean, Gen 1 is the complete opposite of a well-balanced game.
But like I said, getting a Gen 1 starter is not as hard as you make it out to be. There are things called breeding, trading, and DW events you know.