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Anarchists

edited 2011-11-27 18:09:03 in General
CRIMINAL SCUM!
Uhg, nothing is more annoying then when I hear about them talk about how "Anarchy isn't chaos" and that societies don't need government to maintain order.

God it just makes my brain hurt, like they actually think that people can coexist together without some form of mediating authority? It can't happen even WHEN we have laws and cops protecting us, let alone if we decided to chuck them out. And they somehow have this veil of ignorance that some tinpot dictator or other government can't possibly take over their small acarchoistic society.

The worst ones are the Anarcho-capitalists though, the morons who think a "truly free market" will lead to a free society. While totally ignoring historical examples of unrestricted markets producing oppressive corporatocracies or at the very least monopolies that repress free trade.

Comments

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    I think Anarchists are okay.

    But I'm Socialist, so yeah.
  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!
    A lot of anarchists I've met seem to have a very distinct "rage against authority" mentality that they focus into a political philosophy. From the way they talk, I'm honestly not sure if they consider the full implications of what they want and can't help but think it stems from a type of teenage rebellion that they never fully grew out of.
  • edited 2011-11-27 18:26:10

    In general, I don't necessary think anarchism is immediately feasible in our current society, but I do sympathize with their goal in the sense that it's a good direction to point in regards to political philosophy. After all, equality of opportunity for all is something worth striving for and quite lacking right now. And I do believe some of the attitudes against anarchism are self-fulfilling since such people think only in the frame of our current capitalist society (contrast that with George Orwell's depiction of the people of Anarchist Catalonia), though I guess it would be exponentially less effective the more people are involved.

    Also, anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism since it retains the capitalist hierarchy and anarchism is opposed to all hierarchy.

  • The problem, I find, with anarchism is that because we, as humans, tend to form groups. So society would find away to just reinstate itself.
  • Still, it would be worthwhile to break down the more exclusive group divisions. There's no reason why people should have to treat skin colour as a barrier for interaction, and I would be glad if people could participate in an activity without either being accused of being the wrong gender or making a huge ruckus over it.
  • edited 2011-11-28 04:13:59
    CRIMINAL SCUM!
    The following quote is generally why I find Anarchists so stupid.

    "Not every nation will see such massive successes like Somalia did following her dissolution."

    -_-
  • ^^There are probably some anarchists out there who rage against the state because it limits their liberty into holding and practicing bigoted viewpoints, seeing state as a leftist thing.

  • Not all anarchists are the same. Those are more in line with the loonier fringes of US libertarianism, since traditional anarchist thought is meant to promote liberty for all, not just oneself.

  • I see two different kinds of "anarchy in the UK", the V for Vendetta version and the real life 2011 version.
  • ^ You missed the original punk version from the 70s, if you're being literal about it.


    At one stage I used to read Freedom, which is about the best-known anarchist paper in the UK. Eventually I reluctantly concluded that I just didn't think it would work in practice. They also seemed to take a pretty hard-line stance against religion, although I didn't agree that philosophically that was a necessary requirement of anarchism.


    Ursula Le Guin's SF novels include a pretty convincing picture of an anarchist society that works, but not really one I'd want to live in. You get the impression that they're really just as authoritarian as the society they've broken away from, but in a more subtle and insidious way. It's a bit like Abby the goth from NCIS saying that anarchism "has too many rules".


    I see Abby as my major philosophical influence, actually. 

  • Yeah, anarchism does have its fair share of ideological zealotry. It's why I tend to distrust the movement in some ways: they seem to treat their ideal society as an all-or-nothing deal with no room for pragmatic compromise.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    I am leftist and I consider society to be corrupted, but I don't agree with anarchists, the evil not society, it's hypocrisy!/soapbox
  • if u do convins fashist akwaint hiz faec w pavment neway jus 2 b sur
    As many have already mentioned, there are many different schools of anarchism, all of them being much different from each other. Nevertheless, I find all of them unrealistic, even though I greatly respect the views and ideology of some left-wing anarchists like Chomsky. My personal ideology is a brand of left-leaning libertarianism, and many of my ideas are close to anarchism, but still a society is unable to properly function and progress without a certain level of central government.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    a society is unable to properly function and progress without a certain level of central government


    I'd rather say that a central government isn't a necessity, but carries with it too many practical benefits to ignore. Tribal societies are reasonably close to anarchies, but the lack of centralised government means that communication, cooperation and trade is damaged, therefore damaging wider social and technological progression.
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