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This article on Canadian air transport

edited 2012-01-31 08:30:24 in General
But you never had any to begin with.

Article


Named the thread this because the basic idea is a little too long to fit.


Anyhow, the basic gist of this is that, if somebody does not resemble the sex indicated on their passport, they are prohibited from boarding a plane in Canada. You may be able to see the issues here.

Comments

  • Ah, Harper being equal to himself.

  • a little muffled

    Harpers gonna harp.

  • Glaives are better.

    I don't see how this is a bad thing. If someone looks nothing like their ID, I'd be outraged if they got let on a plane. Plus, as the guy admits, there haven't actually been any instances of transsexuals being denied passage as a result of this policy.


    If you've got the time to get your sex changed, you've got the time to get a new ID. 

  • But you never had any to begin with.

    It's not "If you don't look like your photo". It's "If you don't look like what they think M/F (delete as applicable) should look like."

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    ^^You seriously don't see the potential for bigotry here?

  • Glaives are better.

    What, you get turned away because you couldn't be bothered to get a new ID after a sex change?


    If someone gets turned away because their ID states their legal gender after a sex change, then yeah, that would count as discrimination. But I can't see that sort of thing happening often.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    A) Legal IDs are not that simple to get, and they cost money


    B)If you can't see that happening then you've got your head in the sand.

  • Glaives are better.

    I've been through the process of procuring a legal ID, and it doesn't cost nearly as much as a sex change operation. 

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Not all transgender people can afford a sex change, silly.

  • edited 2012-01-31 17:53:05
    a little muffled

    @Hatter: You're missing the point. The problem the article mentions is for people who haven't gotten SRS but take hormones / wear clothing of their non-biological gender / otherwise take pains to pass as that gender, as the government will only change the sex listed on an ID if you get SRS.

  • edited 2012-01-31 17:53:38
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    People who get sex changes are fine under this. The issue is people who want them but haven't gotten them yet.


    Ninja'd on that point.


    I'm kinda surprised, though, that there's no mention of non-transgender people who just happen to look slightly more like the other sex. It happens, you know.

  • I wouldn't be surprised to find that other countries have similar regulations, creating similar discrimination.


    It's probably unintentional - the idea was to stop, for example, escaped bank robbers dressed as women (don't laugh - it has happened, especially when the "women" are Muslim and fully-veiled), but it ends up catching transsexuals because no-one drafting the law thought of them.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Funny thing about the law of unintended consequences is that it tends to be unintentional.


    (sit-com laughter)

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